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Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena

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UFOs and ideas that challenge reality

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itself all these Mysteries all this time

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are we ever going to get to the bottom

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of these my name is George Knapp I dig

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into news stories that others can't or

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won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some

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reason people tell me things they

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probably shouldn't

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and this is weapons

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amen good to see you good to see you

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we're back with weaponized I'm George

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Knapp my colleague Jeremy Corbell and

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we've got a special guest here today

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this is my good friend John who who you

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know we've known each other a long time

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John we have we have really excited that

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we're able to talk yeah because you know

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officially like on camera you know on

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audio for people to kind of learn about

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you or friendship that kind of thing

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sure so can you tell me John a little

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bit about yourself so I'm a active duty

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Navy Commander I've been in for about 17

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years uh originally as a Hilo pilot is

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my background uh so I definitely have

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experience in the aviation Community

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um but uh you know I've been deployed

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all over the world obviously got a

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chance to meet you along the way uh and

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um no man just just happy to be here can

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you give us a sense of how you got

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interested in the UFO topic and how that

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led to a friendship with Jeremy sure

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absolutely you know

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it's lifelong interest you know uh you

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know starting as a kid you know want to

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be an astronaut you know I guess like

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every other kid but as I got older that

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was kind of like a real goal you know

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and so that's eventually how I ended up

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at the at the Naval Academy we can get

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into that a little bit later if we want

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but uh you know lifelong interest uh

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kind of starting with the with the uh

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astronaut aspirations turns out it's

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really hard to be an astronaut by the

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way uh you know that definitely they

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take the cream of the crop for for that

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group but um you know kind of throughout

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my life there were always these um kind

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of figures growing up adults in my life

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that uh you know they took the topic

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seriously really any topic you know

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um my mom's from Central America and we

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would go visit you know every summer

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growing up there's a lot to be said for

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sitting around a table as a kid with a

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bunch of adults around you having

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serious discussions about maybe some you

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know call it paranormal topics and as a

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kid that made a big impression on me you

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know to hear you know my aunt bringing

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up a story of you know you know

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so-and-so saw something in the night and

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looked really weird and instead of

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dismissing it you know outright or or

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people snickering or laughing it's like

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oh really and you know just having

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having serious discussions about it

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same thing you know I think my dad was

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one of the first ones to ever mention

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you know Area 51 and the possibility of

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what's out in the desert you know and

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but again not not in a joking way just

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kind of uh taking it seriously you know

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and then of course there were some yeah

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culture influences you know on me

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family friend come over a former

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episode of X-Files and at the end of it

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little bit of Kernel of Truth in that

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episode you know and he'd go into a

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whole thing about the colonel truth

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behind that particular episode and of

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course for me you know uh listen to

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Coast to Coast you know which I'm sure

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you're familiar with but uh my uh

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growing up my my dad owned and operate a

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the restaurant and uh you know Friday

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restaurant on Friday Saturday nights you

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know it's 11 12 o'clock at night and my

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dad would drive me home you know a 20 30

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minute drive to the house or whatever

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and uh you know you flip on the radio

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and the only thing to listen to that's

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worth listening to at that hour is you

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know show like ghosts and so you know

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kind of those those again

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people trying to have you know serious

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uh discussions about topics that uh that

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maybe would be considered an orthodox or

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I never suspected that my uh what would

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eventually be my professional career

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would come crashing so closely with my

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personal passions and interests you know

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but they they definitely have you know

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in a big way so so kind of listening to

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as a kid the way that you like me kind

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of got your this on your radar through

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family and just you know in the

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Zeitgeist just listening to the radio

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yeah absolutely you know and again just

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listening to people listening to serious

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people have serious discussions about it

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when you're a kid you kind of look to

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those around you to see what's their

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reaction like are they taking it

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seriously are they laughing are they not

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you know and no look you know luckily

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for me uh the way I was raised my

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parents were always very open-minded and

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kind of accepting of what people uh you

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know brought to us and obviously with a

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Discerning Eye always but um but no man

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I I look at I'm somebody that's

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even though it's been a personal passion

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interest I like to think that I'm

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somebody who's uh taking it seriously

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you know and and tried to sort the wheat

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from chaff as they say and it's hard you

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know it's hard it's hard to to kind of

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sift through all the noise and and all

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the uh all the scatter that's out there

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but um but boy I think when you when you

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can do that and do it successfully I

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think it it goes a long way so as you

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you know you pursue your Naval career

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you rise through the ranks sure and uh

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it's it's obviously not on your front

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burner thinking about UFOs maybe in your

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back your mind at what point do you

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cross paths with Jeremy and how does

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that how do you begin a conversation

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with him well let me let me say first

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too that you know I'm not here uh uh on

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behalf of the Navy or I'm not here uh

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you know representing the Navy in any

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way it happens to be my career and my

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profession which I'm very thankful for

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and proud of my service and and uh I

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wouldn't change a single thing

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uh you know the Navy's been good to me

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and my family and I'm married with three

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young kids and everything we have I go

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to the Navy you know

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um so but in that sense I'm not here uh

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you know with my with my Navy hat on it

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just happens to be be my job so uh

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opinion yeah no just just my opinion you

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know and uh and I think it's important

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it's important when it's appropriate to

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you know to hear from from folks that uh

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may have either had experience or just

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going to give their

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help the public understand kind of the

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the the military perspective you know

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because it's hard there's a lot of

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jargon there's a lot of nuance there's a

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lot of uh you know the military culture

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people know is just what they see in the

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movies and on TV you know and that's

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part of it but uh but the reality is a

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we met back in uh 2015 I think it was

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I'm listening to the coast and I had

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heard that uh an individual by the name

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of Bob Lazar was going to be coming out

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for the first time in a long time uh to

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a certain uh conference out in Arizona

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like I said it's the summer of 2014 I

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think the conference was I think

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so that kind of piqued my interest

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obviously right I I listened to to that

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show and and I'd always known kind of

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uh Bob was and and was familiar with his

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story

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but I had a friend of mine uh who at the

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right now who would go unnamed but

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another another good buddy of mine

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active duty guy uh Submariner

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um but this is a guy that I've known uh

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for over 20 years now someone that I

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trust my life with uh and he I knew that

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he was a big uh Bob Lazar fan let's call

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him and by fan I mean you know again

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someone who interested interested in the

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story but but even more so you know

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to you know try to follow the details to

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to make heads or tails of is this guy

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really uh sane if is it true what he's

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so I knew that my buddy was a big uh was

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very interested in the Bob bizarre story

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he I knew that he was going to be on

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deployment at the time that that Bob had

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decided to come out uh to agree to do

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the conference

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so I said well what the hell you know

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I've never I've had a lifelong interest

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in this stuff I've never been to a

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conference myself you know up until that

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point

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and uh at the time I was stationed in

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San Diego and I go well Arizona's not

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too far so you know pack up the kids and

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the wife and we're going to the desert

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to hear people talk about UFOs and and

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to listen to Bob

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so we get we get there and uh

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and I think I came across you at you had

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a booth set up or whatever and at the

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time I think you'd had a little 10 12

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minute clip of Bob that people again no

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one had really heard from him in the way

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that you'd put him out up to that point

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man uh you know you have these posters

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you know and I said

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how much for a signed Bob Lazar poster

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you know because I really wanted it for

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my buddy yeah that's really that's

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really what it was the whole impetus for

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that was just uh I thought it'd be

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really cool as a homecoming gift for him

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you know be not on deployment you know

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summary duty is tough so I kind of

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home to and and be able to provide him

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like hey check out what I got for you

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you know

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it uh it wasn't even for me so it was I

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think I think that was kind of the start

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you know yeah yeah it's funny man he

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came up and I didn't know what to do

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because I was only printed these posters

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because people were gonna kill me if I

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didn't have something you know from the

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little short film sure interview thing

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and um I was like I don't know man I

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don't know let's find out you know and

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so finally I think we met up later that

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night we did like this is my buddy he's

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gonna be so stoked who now you know I've

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known friends with it as well yeah yeah

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but that was just kind of cool that was

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the first way that we met it's kind of

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funny like you know you're reporting and

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when Bob brings all these people

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together we stock up a friendship and

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you know he came out to my place out in

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Pioneer town and it just kind of started

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From There absolutely I think at the

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time I think I think we exchanged emails

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yeah and and I remember it's funny you

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were very gracious you know okay good

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you were very gracious and you were you

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were um you know you you weren't putting

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on any errors or anything and you know

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real easy to talk to and get along with

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and he told me yeah you know keep let's

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keep in touch yeah I got it guys you

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know whatever he's pulling my leg I

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think it's important we're going to

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delve into some really cool areas sure

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sensitive materials and and incidents

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but I think it's important to say

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nothing too sensitive as people yeah of

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course uh within limits we'll push it as

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far as we can yeah whatever we can get

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away with uh it's important I think as

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people would are watching or listening

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at home and they're assuming well if

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he's friends with Jeremy maybe this is

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the guy that's leaking stuff images and

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things like that no no no so let's you

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should make that clear but your nature

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your relationship sure yeah I mean you

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can go ahead and then I'll throw in no

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uh let me make it abundantly clear no I

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am not Jeremy Source on anything that

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that he's that he's put out

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um you're so mean why not no no no he

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didn't tell me anything no look I look I

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I I I take my job straight seriously um

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I'm able to keep my personal passions

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and my like I said my kind of

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professional obligations and duties keep

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those two worlds separate you have to

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you know especially with this job and in

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the world of security clearance and

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things like that you have to be able to

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do that as an aviator they train us to

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compartmentalize a lot of stuff to be

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able to go fly sure so maybe for someone

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like me or a fellow Aviator I think

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that's a little comes it's a little more

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inherent you know to be able to do that

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because they train you to do that so

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kind of keeping those worlds separate is

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Paramount I would never uh as close as

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we are you know I would never uh violate

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the sanctity of any uh and you're

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cognizance of that too Jeremy is your

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friend you don't want to put him in a

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position where he gets I would I would

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never do that and and to kind of push

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you know that so people really

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understand it's like what for me with

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guts is he's a rational-minded person

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that has experience as an aviator long

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military career active Navy Commander I

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mean all of this is a perspective that

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you know is real important to some of

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the stuff that you and I are looking at

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so so what I'll do over the years is I'd

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be like hey man I got this witness

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they're coming at me with this story or

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something you know can I verify did they

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go to the Annapolis Naval Academy with

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you just just in general like is this a

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real person what does this word mean

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what should I be thinking about just

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basic stuff is how I come to well I call

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them guts which is his cause I vote to

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John right the the basic thing that I'll

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do is um utilize his his basic expertise

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to help me sort what I'm looking at now

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it's gotten much deeper over the years I

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mean he's seen some of the stuff that

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we've obtained and released to the

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public and

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I mean I've never ever first of all I'll

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just put it right out there it's not a

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source and you know that but I mean just

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publicly something has to be vetted over

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and over and over I have to receive

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something three or four times to feel

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that it is valid and then go in and look

382
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at it now you've never asked me and I've

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never talked to you about sources which

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I think is important yeah no absolutely

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you know to the contrary of what of your

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point of you know feeding stuff to

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Germany absolutely not I've never never

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done anything like that

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um to the contrary I've been uh I don't

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know what the right word is genuinely

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shocked surprised impressed however you

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want to put it of the sources that you

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do have and maintain I have no idea who

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they are kind of like you would never

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put me in that position I've never put

396
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you in that position either I don't want

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to know but again as someone who takes

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it seriously as someone who um has a

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passion for uh certainly the world of

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Aviation safety you know it's kind of

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the angle that I'm coming at it from

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um I certainly have an interest of the

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stuff that you put out first of all the

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the Pentagon has firmed that what we

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released was actual Navy film footage I

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mean is it okay to ask you I mean were

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you aware of this material after seeing

408
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George and I release it yeah so there

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were there were a couple things

410
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um that you guys had put out uh that

411
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I had been previously aware of yeah

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absolutely so when I saw it again in the

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form that you put it out it's like whoa

414
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okay

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um you know this is you're glad it comes

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out yeah it's certainly it certainly

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well it it

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um uh there's it has a certain level of

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credibility or validity to the to the to

420
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the products that that you guys uh put

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out it's real you know I'll ask this

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question as a sort of a kickoff point

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and then I'll shut up and you guys can

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dive into the details but you know five

425
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years we've seen such a dramatic change

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in how the topic is regarded by

427
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mainstream media Congress is looking at

428
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it the public is energized I mean it's

429
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an amazing uh about face and

430
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transformation of events I never thought

431
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I would see but I'm curious you know in

432
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private conversations you've told us the

433
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Navy is global it's a big place sure but

434
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it's also a small place so can you give

435
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us a sense of during these five years of

436
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tumultuous change and so much public

437
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attention on the UFO issue and questions

438
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is it discussed among your colleagues is

439
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it something that's a kind of a you talk

440
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about on a regular basis right well it

441
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is and it isn't you know it kind of just

442
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depends on who you talk to you know all

443
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my buddies sure I'm the fox molder of

444
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you know of the Squadron you know so you

445
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know oh UFO stuff you know talk to guts

446
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you know but it is and it isn't um

447
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certainly you know 2017 was a big year

448
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uh when when someone like uh Commander

449
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fraver comes out and shares his story

450
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that's a big deal you know it's a really

451
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big deal you know someone like Chad

452
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Underwood that you've talked to when

453
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they come out and provide there so

454
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that's a big deal Brian Grace all the

455
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right people that don't know about this

456
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stuff right so you're talking about

457
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Commander

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chased the UFO for the United States

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military a famously called the Tic Tac

460
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UFO incident which is now famous because

461
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the New York Times and everything the

462
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interviews George and I did sure on with

463
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Dave fraver and also with Commander

464
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Underwood he's the guy that filmed the

465
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Tic Tac UFO so we have witness report

466
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from a pilot who's head of the Black

467
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Aces then you got somebody who he sends

468
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out to film this UFO and he films it and

469
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if we're putting it's put out to the

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world yeah so people that don't know if

471
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that's what we're talking about you saw

472
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that and you were like what actually

473
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when I first told you I was talking with

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the Navy commander who chased the UFO

475
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what was your react that's [\h__\h] it's

476
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total [\h__\h] I didn't I didn't uh I

477
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didn't believe you man you know and and

478
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again that kind of goes back to the

479
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whole you know sort and wheat from you

480
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got to have a good BS meter you know I

481
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don't I don't have to tell you that uh

482
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you really Gotta Have a good biasm with

483
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all this stuff when you first mentioned

484
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that you had somebody uh of the status

485
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of Commander fraver

486
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um I didn't believe it you know I go

487
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that's too good to be true it's a

488
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perfect witness you know when you think

489
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about it wow well and like I've told you

490
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before you know privately I wish people

491
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I wish the general public more

492
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inherently understood the quality of the

493
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caliber of witness the quality of

494
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witness that a guy like Commander favor

495
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is why number one uh he's an aviator so

496
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I gotta you know buy a store towards

497
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that but uh no listen he's a jet jock

498
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he's a he is as close to the real life

499
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Maverick Tom Cruise that you're gonna

500
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get in real life okay he's the CEO of

501
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his own Squadron which again in our

502
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world there's no one above that Black

503
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Aces the Black Aces you know uh uh

504
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uh a you know jet Squadron that deploys

505
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around the world he's the CEO of that

506
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Squadron he's a Naval Academy graduate

507
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he's a Top Gun graduate

508
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um I believe was an instructor don't

509
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quote me on that but again this is

510
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somebody that when they speak people

511
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should listen you know and take what

512
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they're saying seriously

513
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um and so

514
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do people talk about it yeah

515
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but it's not it's not prolific you know

516
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uh there were you know even today you'll

517
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come across folks in active duty folks

518
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you ever heard of commander fraver and

519
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who's that I go how the hell do you not

520
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know about that you know so no we look

521
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at we we do talk

522
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um it's not a at least my perspective is

523
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it's not a it's not a dirty little

524
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secret or anything like that if people

525
00:18:13,850 --> 00:18:10,620
want to talk about it they talk about it

526
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which is great because you know another

527
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reason why you know I would agree to

528
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come on do something like this you know

529
00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:19,500
there's stigma with this stuff you know

530
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there's been a stigma for a long time

531
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and I think I think we're turning a

532
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corner it feels like it uh but there's

533
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still a lot of work to be done how does

534
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that show up in in your kind of line of

535
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,039
work how does the stigma to unidentified

536
00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:34,799
find objects and Pilots you know having

537
00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:37,140
to deal with that near misses

538
00:18:41,090 --> 00:18:38,580
um you know should we engage it should

539
00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:41,100
we not how do how does stigma show up in

540
00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:42,900
your field well the way it comes up is

541
00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:44,940
you know it's

542
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:45,960
kind of those that have had an

543
00:18:49,370 --> 00:18:47,280
experience and those who haven't right

544
00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:49,380
for the guys that have run into the

545
00:18:52,850 --> 00:18:50,940
stuff on a daily basis for them it's

546
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,860
real and they have and they have you

547
00:18:57,230 --> 00:18:54,840
know that's a fact Pilots are running

548
00:18:58,669 --> 00:18:57,240
into unidentified flying objects on a

549
00:19:02,210 --> 00:18:58,679
daily basis they're seeing them picking

550
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,220
them up on radar that's a fact okay uh

551
00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:05,520
for them it's real and stigma be damned

552
00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:07,740
because you can't tell a guy something

553
00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:09,900
that just flew by your cockpit at you

554
00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:12,120
know you know 50 feet away from from you

555
00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:14,520
you can't deny that

556
00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:15,780
um the way the stigma shows up is for

557
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,580
those who haven't who aren't interested

558
00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:19,679
in this stuff who don't understand the

559
00:19:23,690 --> 00:19:21,960
aviation safety aspects associated with

560
00:19:24,409 --> 00:19:23,700
UAP

561
00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:24,419
um

562
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:26,340
and so that's kind of where why I

563
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:27,660
classify it that way those that have had

564
00:19:30,529 --> 00:19:29,520
experiences and those who haven't and

565
00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:30,539
for those who haven't you know it's just

566
00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:32,220
hard for them to wrap their mind around

567
00:19:37,730 --> 00:19:35,400
it you know it's still a big mystery we

568
00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:37,740
don't know what this stuff is 2017

569
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,260
Jeremy and I uh were able to break the

570
00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:42,720
story of the TIC tag twice on Coast to

571
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,580
Coast months before it came out in the

572
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,559
New York Times and because of how Jeremy

573
00:19:51,529 --> 00:19:48,960
treated a commander fraber with respect

574
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:51,539
that word gets around it it helps

575
00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:53,760
cultivate other sources and to serve

576
00:19:58,370 --> 00:19:56,220
both of us really well when that story

577
00:20:00,049 --> 00:19:58,380
comes out though it leads to changes in

578
00:20:02,090 --> 00:20:00,059
the Navy I mean the Navy comes out and

579
00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:02,100
says we want to make it easier for our

580
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:04,260
aviators and other service members to go

581
00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:05,520
ahead and report this stuff when it

582
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,620
happens so that there's no Stigma less

583
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,120
stigma attached it's not going to hurt

584
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:11,520
your career the labor the Navy has led

585
00:20:16,430 --> 00:20:14,160
the charge I mean I want to know if this

586
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,440
is a source of Pride for you when you

587
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:18,000
compare it to say the Air Force which

588
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:19,260
I'll just say it they're flat out

589
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,640
dragging their butts on this stuff

590
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,039
they've been uncooperative with congress

591
00:20:27,049 --> 00:20:25,679
with the UAP task force you know that

592
00:20:28,909 --> 00:20:27,059
they're sitting on a big pile of

593
00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:28,919
information that they're not sharing and

594
00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:30,360
if they'll have to be drag Kicking and

595
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,340
Screaming the Navy at least

596
00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:34,860
ostensibly is much more Cooperative are

597
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,299
you proud of that the Navy doing that

598
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:38,640
without question you know I I uh you

599
00:20:41,810 --> 00:20:39,780
know obviously yeah I'm biased towards

600
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:41,820
the naval service but I am proud you

601
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:43,620
know that I'm proud of the way that

602
00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:47,340
we've we've tried to uh tackle this

603
00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:49,500
topic because there's a real concern out

604
00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,080
there you know we got guys in the air

605
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,580
coming across things that we that we

606
00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:55,440
that we don't know what they are and the

607
00:20:58,970 --> 00:20:57,480
risk for a near mid-air Collision or God

608
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,980
forbid an actual midair Collision I mean

609
00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:01,200
it's there it's really there and the

610
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,480
fact the Navy has tried to implement uh

611
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,799
you know maybe easier reporting

612
00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:06,480
procedures or guidelines to make it okay

613
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,059
for Pilots not to be afraid to to say

614
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:10,799
Hey you know I saw this thing I don't

615
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:12,179
know what it is but I almost I almost

616
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:14,820
hit it have you seen that change I mean

617
00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:17,160
now is it easier to report UFOs because

618
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,419
I remember when we were looking to

619
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,400
Winners one of the new Commandments

620
00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:22,080
coming down on like how to report this

621
00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:23,820
you know and and from personal

622
00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:25,620
experience you know from my perspective

623
00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:27,539
as a as a Helo guy

624
00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:29,100
um we I don't think it trickled down to

625
00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:31,500
our level necessarily because maybe it

626
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:33,480
wasn't you know we weren't necessarily

627
00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:35,640
the type of platform that was

628
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,020
encountering the stuff on a daily basis

629
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,880
but again if you talk to guys on the

630
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,280
East Coast based out of Oceana certainly

631
00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:43,919
uh the the

632
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:45,240
um the Paradigm and shifted for guys

633
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,740
like that for sure and you've directly

634
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:49,200
talked about it absolutely absolutely uh

635
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,820
so yeah for guys like them it was

636
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,280
definitely a noticeable change was it

637
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:55,440
fleet-wide I I can't speak to that you

638
00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:57,480
know um I don't really have have an

639
00:22:00,529 --> 00:21:58,860
opinion on that

640
00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:00,539
um but the fact that like like you said

641
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:03,000
George the fact that uh the Navy did at

642
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:04,320
least seem to be taking the lead on

643
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,600
absolutely it's a point of Pride for me

644
00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:09,600
um you know I won't I won't uh I won't

645
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,120
bash my my other uh brothers and sisters

646
00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:14,159
in the other services but uh you know I

647
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:16,380
can't speak to what what their plans are

648
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:17,700
what their intentions are with all this

649
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:19,559
stuff but there's some there have been

650
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,740
some glaring uh silences if I can

651
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:24,360
classify it that way from from other

652
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:25,500
services that it kind of makes you

653
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,900
scratch your head because I'm this is

654
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,760
not only a Navy thing it's not only an

655
00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:31,200
East Coast thing it's not only a West

656
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,460
Coast thing

657
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,100
um right it's worldwide people are

658
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:37,440
seeing this stuff uh everywhere you know

659
00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:39,659
so you have you have direct knowledge

660
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:44,450
unidentified craft

661
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:47,100
that don't seem to have the typical what

662
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,260
we'd call propulsion right what we what

663
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:51,960
we'd see rotors wash sure plumes heat

664
00:22:58,250 --> 00:22:54,780
signatures that these are being

665
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:58,260
encountered by our we'll just say uh you

666
00:23:00,710 --> 00:23:00,179
know Department of Defense we'll say our

667
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:00,720
um

668
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:02,340
all branches of the military that are

669
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:03,600
that are in the air doing this they're

670
00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:04,620
being encountered they're encountering

671
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:06,120
these things that we don't know whose

672
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:07,980
they are we don't know who operates them

673
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:10,020
we don't know their intent I mean that

674
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:12,179
is you were saying that right yeah I

675
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:13,620
mean that's that's that's my opinion

676
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,480
yeah that's right again I'm not I'm not

677
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,520
speaking on behalf of the dod or the

678
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:19,679
service in any way but uh no I mean my

679
00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:21,299
yeah I mean if you're asking me in my

680
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:23,940
opinion uh absolutely that would seem

681
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:26,940
important to me that our defense you

682
00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:29,100
know systems as my perspective is that

683
00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:30,780
that seems important to me that our our

684
00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:32,700
defense we should know whose Vehicles

685
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:35,100
these are absolutely look you know at

686
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:36,480
the end of the day

687
00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:37,500
um

688
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,260
the profession of arms is to defend you

689
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:42,179
know the country yeah and and to defend

690
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:44,340
our allies around the world and if we're

691
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:45,780
coming across of that we don't know what

692
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:48,360
it is uh you know we we want to know

693
00:23:51,649 --> 00:23:50,039
what that is you know I've heard there's

694
00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:51,659
been some criticism in the media over

695
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,820
the years about you know

696
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:56,159
um this threat narrative you know well

697
00:24:02,330 --> 00:23:59,580
I'm sorry but you can't blame a guy uh

698
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,340
whose job it is is to assess threats and

699
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:04,080
take care of them I mean that's our job

700
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,460
you know explain that a little bit more

701
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:07,200
for people that are totally new to this

702
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,900
is that the threat narrative so the idea

703
00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:11,400
that there are you have the idea that

704
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,780
the idea that you know they're

705
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:15,360
unidentified objects sure and what's the

706
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,740
threat narrative what is that you're

707
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:18,240
talking well the threat narrative being

708
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,340
that you know a lot of the language that

709
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:22,260
some people have used uh when talking

710
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:25,260
about uh UAP or unidentified as you know

711
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:29,220
for example that uh atip right Advanced

712
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:30,539
Aerospace identification program

713
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:32,220
Advanced Aerospace threat identification

714
00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:34,140
right the word threat is in the is in

715
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:36,539
the title of the program right and and

716
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:38,039
there were people that had some problems

717
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:39,360
with the iterations why why are they

718
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,440
looking at this as a threat we don't

719
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,360
know what they are well again from the

720
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:44,159
perspective of the profession of Arms

721
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:46,260
from the perspective of the defense and

722
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,159
the national interests of the United

723
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,440
States unless you know what you're

724
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,640
dealing with you kind of have to

725
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:52,860
unfortunately it's a again just my

726
00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:54,419
opinion here it's a default position

727
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:56,039
that you kind of have to take because at

728
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:57,960
the end of the day we don't know what

729
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,880
we're dealing with you know

730
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:01,620
um so I think that's why I don't know if

731
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,059
that answers yeah I mean so you've got

732
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,039
the one perspective which is that from

733
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,960
from a National Defense position we

734
00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:08,640
should know who's making these objects

735
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,500
who's fine and what the intent is if we

736
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,240
don't know we better find out and then

737
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:13,679
you know from another perspective it's a

738
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,240
flight safety issue you've got these

739
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,700
objects and people every day there have

740
00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:19,380
been some near-misses

741
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:20,340
um and then there's the bigger

742
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,720
existential questions that come after

743
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,700
that another narrative about the UFO

744
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,320
phenomenon has been here for so long

745
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,080
maybe we're just seeing them more

746
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,000
because our technology and our radar

747
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,919
systems are integrated we have better

748
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,799
camera systems better Radars maybe it's

749
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,480
always been here and we're just you know

750
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,220
the idea that there's an increase in

751
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:40,440
frequency it appears that way to us but

752
00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:42,120
we don't know for certain right right

753
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,799
because maybe they've always been there

754
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:45,900
and we're just seeing them more who

755
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:49,320
knows yeah yeah can I ask you uh sort of

756
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,000
have you become sort of The Unofficial

757
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,400
Clearinghouse for UFO stories and

758
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,400
encounters and tidbits uh within your

759
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,279
circle I'm asking that in the context of

760
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,960
what we talked about before the Navy is

761
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,700
a small place you said yeah so does the

762
00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:04,559
word get around hey this guy

763
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,779
is interested in this I'm not saying

764
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,580
you're conducting a secret study on

765
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:11,039
behalf of the Navy but you it you come

766
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:12,659
across people who have their own stories

767
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:13,980
yeah absolutely you know just in the

768
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:15,659
course of your natural uh you know

769
00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:17,220
meeting people and and getting to know

770
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:18,539
folks

771
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:19,860
um you know I don't that's not the first

772
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,299
thing I tell people when I meet them but

773
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,799
you know you get to know people and you

774
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,600
work in in close quarters and you're

775
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,600
working in long hours uh long days and

776
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:29,039
long nights sometimes you know and you

777
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,020
can get to know people and and once I'm

778
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,640
you know once I've become comfortable

779
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,559
with someone and I feel like okay I can

780
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:37,440
I can you know again stigma right right

781
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:41,159
if I'm comfortable if I'm you know if

782
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,620
if I trust them that they won't think

783
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:46,020
I'm a crackpot or yeah I'll mention hey

784
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,120
you know and it's always a you know it's

785
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,400
funny you know before there was no real

786
00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:52,980
inroad to that conversation but now hey

787
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,539
you ever heard of Dave fraver you know

788
00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:56,640
hey you ever heard of you know name your

789
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:58,620
name your incident or name right like a

790
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,260
lot has changed over the the last five

791
00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:03,240
years or so absolutely yeah absolutely

792
00:27:14,649 --> 00:27:05,880
so people are our Nate our Navy people

793
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,090
yeah sure is it your experience that

794
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:19,200
people that you see are taking this

795
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:20,340
serious

796
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,980
yeah yeah I think I think they're well

797
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,760
they're certainly taking it more

798
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,960
seriously now than they ever have I'll

799
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,880
tell you that you know uh there's been a

800
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:28,559
big sea change you know

801
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:30,360
um but yeah you know people you know

802
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:33,900
again uh you know people and I've told

803
00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:35,460
you know close buddies of mine you know

804
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:37,080
that I've flown if you ever see

805
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,100
something you know don't be afraid to

806
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,600
let me know you know right and but you

807
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,279
don't go like hey I'm John nice to meet

808
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,440
you have you seen an alien no no no no

809
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:46,500
no no no no no no no yeah I mean that's

810
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:49,380
not uh you know no and John he's always

811
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,140
been real like really at times real

812
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:54,240
skeptical as he should be but he always

813
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:56,220
goes for okay what's the core of it

814
00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:59,220
right like so in I think one of the big

815
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:00,360
things that we're going to talk about

816
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:02,100
but I want to hear about your

817
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:04,380
perspective on what the world has seen

818
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,360
when it comes to the big ones let's talk

819
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:08,159
about you know when it comes to the Tic

820
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:09,960
Tac video when it comes to the gimbal

821
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:12,659
video so many people have tried to say

822
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,760
nothing to see here move on and they try

823
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:16,860
to dissect it to bits where it's it's

824
00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:18,840
almost like a syndrome that they're not

825
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,279
seeing what's right in front of them

826
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,559
yeah so can you maybe tell us a little

827
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,720
bit about those videos that kind of came

828
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:26,640
forward did that change the way that you

829
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:28,260
saw stuff or was that interesting to you

830
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:30,120
or I mean for me absolutely yeah you

831
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:32,400
know uh it definitely did

832
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:35,100
again those videos are tough because if

833
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:36,000
you don't know what you're looking at

834
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:41,640
um and and it's hard to dissect what

835
00:28:48,289 --> 00:28:44,700
those videos are are presenting to you

836
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,299
um but you know again just with my

837
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,580
background and my experience as The

838
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:52,380
Aviator when you look at something like

839
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,059
gimbal for example or you look at

840
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,279
something like uh Tic Tac or go fast

841
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:57,600
what have you what any number of videos

842
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:59,640
that have been released when you're

843
00:29:02,510 --> 00:29:01,020
looking at that stuff and you realize

844
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:02,520
okay

845
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:04,200
and you hear the audio of the of the

846
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:05,880
pilots as well talking about you know

847
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:07,320
you got an object going against the wind

848
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:09,000
wins 120 knots or whatever the heck it

849
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:09,779
is

850
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:15,120
presumably with no uh

851
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:17,220
visible means of propulsion or or

852
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,740
traditional uh control services

853
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:21,600
I mean that's huge

854
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:24,779
now you get somebody you know uh you

855
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:27,539
know average uh Joe citizen who says uh

856
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:29,399
well you know it's not an HD

857
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,860
well okay that's all right that's hey

858
00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:33,600
it's grainy yeah it's grainy you know

859
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:36,539
Neil Tyson said that I pissed me off you

860
00:29:41,169 --> 00:29:38,940
know well and you know to that point you

861
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:41,179
know it's unfortunate that

862
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:43,020
someone who should at least in my

863
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:43,980
opinion someone who should know better

864
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,140
would say something like that right

865
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:47,760
um folks got to remember you know this

866
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:52,380
is not um you know the the tools and

867
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,279
instruments that we're flying with

868
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,720
number one they're not iPhones okay

869
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,919
they're not designed to be taking

870
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,720
selfies in the air and post them on

871
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:00,360
social media afterwards to get likes and

872
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:03,000
posts these are targeting pods these are

873
00:30:11,769 --> 00:30:07,260
these are these are weapon systems that

874
00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:11,779
um we have been trained on to uh

875
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,760
defend the American people with you know

876
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,380
these are these are weapon systems

877
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,000
they're not designed to capture UFOs

878
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:19,440
they're not designed to capture UAP

879
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,740
we're not UFO Hunters you know we are

880
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:25,440
not uh uh you're not there to make a

881
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,000
movie or a TV show you're not there to

882
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:28,799
make a movie or a TV show we are there

883
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:30,539
to to defend the nation so when people

884
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:32,700
talk about the quote-unquote quality of

885
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:35,220
the footage or the lack of HD or 1080p

886
00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:36,240
or whatever the hell you want to call it

887
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,740
it's just a little frustrating because

888
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,059
people have to realize and remember look

889
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:41,820
at these are these the the systems that

890
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,039
we're using to capture this stuff we're

891
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,320
not designed to do that uh they were

892
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:48,000
designed to wage war on behalf of the

893
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,960
America if I'm being blunt and that's

894
00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:50,399
what they're what they were designed to

895
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,419
do we just happened to be in the right

896
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:55,679
place at the right time or the wrong

897
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:56,940
place the wrong time however you want to

898
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,020
you know however you want to look at it

899
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,240
from from which perspective

900
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,679
um but people have to understand that

901
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,559
that look the these videos there's

902
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:07,200
there's a lot more there that people

903
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:10,740
need to inherently understand uh and and

904
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:14,220
and realize there's something weird here

905
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,399
it's not yeah and look the exclusion of

906
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,799
information drives me crazy right so we

907
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:22,080
we can't go against The Tick Tock

908
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:23,159
information because you've got Commander

909
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:24,899
David fraber standing up there be like

910
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:27,000
oh no I saw it that's it you know you've

911
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:28,320
got a commander Chad Underwood coming

912
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,580
forward like nope I filmed it that's

913
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,679
what happened as soon as it's shot off

914
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:33,840
to the left I had them call and look on

915
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:36,299
radar all around it was gone he said it

916
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,559
didn't move out of the field of view

917
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:39,720
camera it was gone and if you listen to

918
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,179
the interview you know and so what's

919
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:43,679
frustrating what's difficult is we have

920
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:46,200
like the gimbal now you can hear what

921
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:47,460
the pilots are saying and people are

922
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:49,020
saying oh let's just exclude what

923
00:31:52,669 --> 00:31:50,399
they're saying and let's just look at

924
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:52,679
the video we'll hold up a second isn't

925
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:54,899
that evidence isn't witness testimony to

926
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:57,059
corroborate Visual Evidence isn't that a

927
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:59,220
whole Fleet of them yeah isn't that

928
00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:00,779
important yeah so it's it's so

929
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,520
convenient when people try to dissect

930
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,679
things to their desire to be able to

931
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:06,779
minimize something so the translation

932
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:10,380
really in my eyes The Missing Link is a

933
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:12,360
lot of these active duty people that

934
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,980
won't go on record they won't go forward

935
00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:15,600
for fear of their career for fear year

936
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:18,299
of reprisal if we could just get people

937
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,419
to to to talk with us about this to go

938
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:23,520
on record that's that's something that I

939
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,260
think really builds out public

940
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:27,120
understanding of what we're seeing in

941
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:28,679
these cases now we don't have that yet

942
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,659
for the gimbal I think we will at some

943
00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:32,700
day but we don't right now

944
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:34,679
but I think our goal is to take all the

945
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,779
information and look at it and not just

946
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:38,820
uh what's convenient to us well look I

947
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:41,340
think especially uh you know over the

948
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:44,520
past uh few weeks months uh you know

949
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:47,159
there's been this weird effort amongst

950
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,080
certain Outlets to kind of try and just

951
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,880
dismiss all this stuff away odd you know

952
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,500
oh we figured it out you know Case

953
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,880
Closed

954
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,740
um and I know from yeah from personal

955
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,960
experiences guys that I know

956
00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:59,880
um and other people that I that I trust

957
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:01,559
look at there there's going to be more

958
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,440
people coming out uh uh there's going to

959
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:06,000
be more folks

960
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:07,799
um you know there there are witnesses

961
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,140
out there and when the time is right for

962
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:12,419
them I'm sure they'll come out and say

963
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:14,279
what they have to say and it'll be

964
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,899
really hard to uh uh you know to to

965
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:20,700
stick that toothpaste back in the tube

966
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,399
it's already out okay what would stop

967
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,440
somebody from well look I'm looking

968
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,380
forward you know to the public sure a

969
00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:29,760
lot of things you know the fact that

970
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:31,380
they're still in you know still in the

971
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,159
middle they're still in the military

972
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,080
they're selective Duty

973
00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:36,960
um the stigma like I said we're I think

974
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:39,299
we're we're turning a corner but uh but

975
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,100
it's still out there you know depending

976
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,720
on you know hey I don't know maybe

977
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:44,640
you're in a squadron where the CEO tells

978
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:46,019
you hey you know what I don't care what

979
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:47,460
the hell you saw I'm not saying this is

980
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,019
happening I'm just saying you know it's

981
00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:50,880
just it's person to person you know so

982
00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:52,200
the folks that you that you're around

983
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:54,539
and you're with if they're not um you

984
00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:57,539
know if uh if they're not okay with you

985
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:58,919
talking about it that's going to be real

986
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,360
hard for that person to want to come out

987
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,279
and say something so in this last five

988
00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:04,320
years so much tremendous change the

989
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,179
public has energized Congress major

990
00:34:11,089 --> 00:34:08,820
media but there is considerable pushback

991
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:11,099
we've been saying uh publicly for a

992
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,540
while now the closer you get to the

993
00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:14,399
truth the closer you get to the goods

994
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:15,960
the harder the pushback is going to be

995
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,179
and it's not only from within the

996
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,919
military and the Pentagon people don't

997
00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:22,320
want this to be taken seriously it's

998
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:24,419
their emissaries in the public sector

999
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,899
debunkers who all right Tic Tac is a

1000
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,480
bird it's a seagull it's Flair it's

1001
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,520
afterburners it's a drone it's a balloon

1002
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,500
you know all those things let's see what

1003
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:36,419
sticks they'll throw all that stuff out

1004
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:38,220
and we saw the same thing with all the

1005
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:40,260
2019 incidents that we're going to talk

1006
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:42,540
about the efforts to debunk this stuff

1007
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:45,300
you see those kinds of excuses against

1008
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:47,399
the testimony of somebody like commander

1009
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,280
fraber commander Underwood chat you know

1010
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,619
uh Ryan Graves people like that credible

1011
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,780
people who are there who see it who are

1012
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:56,399
experienced they know what their

1013
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,960
equipment and their eyes are showing

1014
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,240
them are telling them and yet these

1015
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,339
people try to debunk this stuff you

1016
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,040
mentioned about media pushback New York

1017
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:07,200
Post has a headline what does it say

1018
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:10,200
2019 cases all explained okay so let's

1019
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:12,180
let's get to let's get to the Brass tax

1020
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:13,740
that's one of the big things that I

1021
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:16,200
wanted the three of us to talk about is

1022
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,619
what actually happened in 2019 off the

1023
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:21,839
West Coast why this is important to to

1024
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,420
George and myself is because we broke

1025
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:26,160
that story we broke that story together

1026
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:28,380
over so for everybody that doesn't know

1027
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:32,520
about it in 2019 uh in in the summer

1028
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,700
there was a series of workups that were

1029
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,920
going on off the coast of California so

1030
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:39,720
that you know basically we had about 10

1031
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,060
Navy warships that were prepping for

1032
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,220
departure and during that time during

1033
00:35:50,829 --> 00:35:46,800
that workup there was a three-night

1034
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:50,839
period where there was continuous

1035
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:53,839
swarms of unidentified

1036
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:57,119
simultaneously around 10 Navy warships

1037
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:00,960
that I know of and it was such a

1038
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:04,079
dramatic event and while we were like

1039
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:05,820
wow this is incredible and then luckily

1040
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:07,320
we were able to George and I were able

1041
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,660
to get a lot of footage it was part of a

1042
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:11,880
UFO internal report we were able to put

1043
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,619
out slides from that report images

1044
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:15,839
videos nine pieces of corroborative

1045
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:18,420
Visual Evidence George brought in these

1046
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:21,060
three images from the east coast and we

1047
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:22,920
dropped them basically all in the same

1048
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:25,980
few days and then on the the West Coast

1049
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,800
was this 2019 you know it was UFO people

1050
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:31,500
on the ships is UFO event series now

1051
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:33,660
we have done a lot of work in the

1052
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:35,579
meantime and I've consulted with you on

1053
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,220
a lot about these just you know

1054
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,040
personally that there was a lot of

1055
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,960
witnesses to this now a lot of witnesses

1056
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,520
have said You know Jeremy I want you to

1057
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:45,599
know what happened here we go we're

1058
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:46,920
going to go through it all

1059
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,900
but you know I'm not I'm not coming for

1060
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:50,160
it I'm not going to talk about it right

1061
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:52,380
now you weren't involved in the 2019

1062
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:54,839
series of events but I think it's really

1063
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:57,180
important that here is now a case that

1064
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:58,740
the public can really sink their teeth

1065
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:01,079
into and I maintain that this we we

1066
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,820
provided the best we could what I would

1067
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:05,400
consider a dream case we have thermal

1068
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,480
imagery we have IR infrared we have

1069
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,700
radar footage and we have what I call

1070
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:13,680
Deck footage just normal Optics from the

1071
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,200
deck of a boat so it's not like just a

1072
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,480
story anymore now we have all these

1073
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,099
pieces of corroborative Visual Evidence

1074
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:22,740
that really need to be dissected what's

1075
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:24,680
happened since we've done that is

1076
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,960
obviously a lot of people go in and they

1077
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,520
try to dismiss certain certain things

1078
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:31,680
because that's what they want to do and

1079
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:33,300
there's no real voices of the people

1080
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:35,640
involved to stand up and say well hold

1081
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,380
on you know that's not how it went down

1082
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,880
but I think that's going to change today

1083
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,220
so that's what we need to talk about now

1084
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:43,619
is how the media has handled that

1085
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,780
durationally a lot of excitement and and

1086
00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:47,640
then we have these ridic ridiculous

1087
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:49,619
stories that get propagated in the one

1088
00:37:56,829 --> 00:37:52,980
that George just mentioned New York Post

1089
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:56,839
and a fine newspaper yeah and it's like

1090
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,540
2019 dorms you know series solves before

1091
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:02,240
we get into that article or anything

1092
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:04,980
what we what we need to do is go through

1093
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:06,780
each of the pieces of footage and

1094
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,020
evidence um but I think that uh I want

1095
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,520
to hear from you first before we jump

1096
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,880
into that are you satisfied that we have

1097
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:16,619
figured this all out or are you here

1098
00:38:21,790 --> 00:38:18,300
today because you're not satisfied well

1099
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:21,800
look and again just my opinion right uh

1100
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:24,540
uh and nothing more than that

1101
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,980
um I think there's there's more meat on

1102
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:27,720
that bone you know there's there's uh

1103
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:30,540
there's more to be I don't the case is

1104
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,480
certainly not closed uh on that incident

1105
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:35,040
um I wasn't there personally but you

1106
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,839
mentioned before you know hey a big

1107
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:39,480
ocean little Navy you know and uh you

1108
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:41,220
come across folks and again just your

1109
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:44,280
natural uh course your career uh

1110
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,200
folks that I personally know and and

1111
00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:48,480
work with now

1112
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,099
um who again you know you get to know

1113
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:51,839
them a little bit more and you kind of

1114
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:53,099
figure out each other's backgrounds and

1115
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,140
where have you been before and you know

1116
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,119
and someone will mention oh yeah I was

1117
00:39:02,750 --> 00:38:59,880
on you know I was on USS name your ship

1118
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,760
well you know that ship I know happens

1119
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:05,040
to have been involved in that 2019

1120
00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:06,599
Series right talk to someone else oh

1121
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,700
yeah I was on USS you know whatever

1122
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:11,040
uh and you go interesting hey were you

1123
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,320
there in 2019 yeah I was there in 2019

1124
00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:15,359
oh okay and again it's just this natural

1125
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:17,180
this natural conversation that happens

1126
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,339
uh where you you finally get to hear

1127
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,280
firsthand accounts of people that were

1128
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:26,160
no kidding there uh saw things with

1129
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,960
either their own eyeballs or on the

1130
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:29,520
systems that they're trained to work on

1131
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,320
right the systems that they're trained

1132
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,660
to to fight with

1133
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,000
um and you get to hear

1134
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:38,760
their side of the story right it's not

1135
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,980
uh you know it's not a piece of footage

1136
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,020
it's not a it's not a audio recording

1137
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:45,480
it's no kidding uh talking to the folks

1138
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,400
firsthand yeah and again this is you're

1139
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:49,440
not preparing a classified report for

1140
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:52,700
higher-ups in the navy no no no UAP

1141
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:55,740
I'm talking about you know water cooler

1142
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,060
talk right if you want to call it you

1143
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:59,280
know conversations that you have uh with

1144
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,020
folks just senior in your day-to-day you

1145
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:03,780
know and again we happen to be uh in the

1146
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,400
military and we have to be active duty

1147
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:06,960
but it's not no it's not a concerted

1148
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:09,300
effort it's not a we're not compiling or

1149
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:10,260
reporting anything like that and it's

1150
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:11,640
just like no oh you were there let's

1151
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,320
talk about that but again it's not you

1152
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,660
know your your impression is from

1153
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:17,460
speaking to them people who were there

1154
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:18,900
the incidents we're going to talk about

1155
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,000
is these are not normal drones you

1156
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:23,760
didn't buy these at Kmart no again uh

1157
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,480
just my own opinion uh and and here and

1158
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:29,160
talking with folks that were there yeah

1159
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:30,900
no it it doesn't

1160
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,760
um no unfortunately the New York Post I

1161
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:34,859
think got it wrong okay well let's get

1162
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,660
into it you know bit by bit let's let's

1163
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,820
get in so that we all better understand

1164
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:40,740
it so you want to start with the Omaha

1165
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:43,740
talk about that yeah okay so with the

1166
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,579
USS Omaha uh one of the first bits that

1167
00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:50,040
um George and I released is is a it

1168
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:52,980
appears to be a sphere that appears to

1169
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:54,839
go into the water there's a lot in there

1170
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,300
so let's maybe play that first video and

1171
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:58,560
then we can just say what are we what

1172
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:59,880
are we seeing here let's bring everybody

1173
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:01,859
up to date so we can start talking about

1174
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:04,740
it so Zach do you got that uh first uh

1175
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:06,119
video

1176
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:09,660
okay so we can you know see it there and

1177
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,160
we've we've all seen it a hundred times

1178
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,720
so you know gotta look at the screen

1179
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,640
thermal imaging system this is the dead

1180
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,980
of night 100 miles off the West Coast

1181
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:19,440
yeah and the this thing is following the

1182
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:20,780
USS Omaha

1183
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:22,859
simultaneously in this hundred mile

1184
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:25,500
radius which is you know far from Shore

1185
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:28,740
relatively you've got these

1186
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,800
objects this is a spherical shaped

1187
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,839
object this is thermal so it's it's a

1188
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,480
basically a heat sensing camera

1189
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,640
John in your experience

1190
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:40,740
like what are we seeing like should we

1191
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:42,839
see plumes of heat should we see what

1192
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:43,859
are we seeing what are we not seeing

1193
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:45,960
here yeah and again this is kind of one

1194
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:48,060
of those videos where it unless you know

1195
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:49,800
what you're looking at it's hard to

1196
00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:51,960
appreciate uh the significance of what

1197
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:53,579
you're yeah you see it blinking it out

1198
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:56,520
there yeah on that particular video what

1199
00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:58,859
you see is what you get if if the image

1200
00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:01,079
is representing an oval shape the Heat

1201
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,339
Signature whatever it was putting out

1202
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,280
was was over in nature okay

1203
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:06,960
um what are we not seeing on that on

1204
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,420
that clip we're not seeing um Wings

1205
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:11,880
we're not seeing Wings we're not seeing

1206
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,339
uh stabilators we're not seeing rotors

1207
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,160
we're not seeing exhaust right it's a

1208
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:20,160
thermal sensing uh uh system so meaning

1209
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:21,540
you're going to catch that heat and

1210
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:24,300
trust me I've I've I can't tell you how

1211
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,040
many thousands of times I've I've uh

1212
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:27,359
I've seen something like that on my own

1213
00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:29,940
you know flying in in the Gila you know

1214
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,859
yeah you see it so it's very obvious you

1215
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:33,900
know the jet exhaust on an F-18 taking

1216
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,060
off the deck of an aircraft carrier at

1217
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:38,220
night is very hell even during the day

1218
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,200
it's very very noticeable it's very

1219
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:42,720
distinguishable you know even if you

1220
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:44,520
show me a 0.5 second clip of that I can

1221
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,320
tell you exactly what it is we're not

1222
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:47,880
seeing that in in this video there's

1223
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,260
none of that there could it be a balloon

1224
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,540
I mean it followed that ship for an hour

1225
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,460
I I haven't seen other ones around I

1226
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,160
don't see how a balloon could could uh

1227
00:43:00,829 --> 00:42:58,440
coincidentally follow a ship for the

1228
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:00,839
duration of time period that that the

1229
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:04,440
crews said it did and in wins okay it's

1230
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:06,420
not the debt it's you know there's winds

1231
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,000
out there you know off the coast uh and

1232
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:12,240
typically a balloon will will drift in

1233
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,740
the direction of the wind do you know of

1234
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,359
any drones that look like that they're

1235
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:17,640
around with no wings Road or tail no

1236
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:20,280
known propulsion no me personally no no

1237
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,099
so usually with usually with FLIR I've

1238
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:25,680
seen a lot of drone uh footage with FLIR

1239
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:28,460
and you see even if it is a you can

1240
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,140
military-grade drone you see the machine

1241
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:33,839
yes absolutely you can see the if it's a

1242
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,339
quadcopter let's say you can see the

1243
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:38,160
individual you know copters on the on

1244
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:39,720
the on the force size of the thing you

1245
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:41,700
can make all that stuff out you know the

1246
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,260
people in charge of the Omaha that I've

1247
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,119
spoken with at various levels all the

1248
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:47,220
way down but people are directly

1249
00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:49,140
involved with with you know fighting the

1250
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:50,579
ship and capturing

1251
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,619
we've never seen anything like this it

1252
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:54,720
has no uh means of propulsion that we

1253
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:57,300
can see and in fact it went into the

1254
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:59,640
water and something that I know is that

1255
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:01,319
you know there was a sub that was sent

1256
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,660
after to to look for wreckage to look

1257
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,000
for the craft itself and it wasn't there

1258
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,079
was gone uh they called it within these

1259
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,960
what I've been exposed to a trans medium

1260
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:14,160
vehicle we're seeing those words

1261
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,900
reflected down Congress and Senate with

1262
00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:17,940
the UFO whistleblower act trans medium

1263
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,020
what does that mean something that can

1264
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:21,359
penetrate from space to air to see with

1265
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,579
absolute impunity no inertial effect so

1266
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,960
that's what they believe that's what we

1267
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:26,940
reported the question is did it go into

1268
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,099
the water it seems to disappear into the

1269
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,440
water or disappear altogether and some

1270
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,599
have suggested well it just was over the

1271
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:35,520
horizon what do you know you have

1272
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,900
further information though I think both

1273
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,880
of you do all right yes certainly I do

1274
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,280
so um did it go into the water it did

1275
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,800
not just it not just one remember so

1276
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:45,900
this is like over the Omaha itself let's

1277
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:48,180
say we have 14 targets

1278
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,099
um I recently have spoken with people

1279
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,140
who were in charge of going out at the

1280
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:54,000
end of the video you can hear the dude

1281
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:57,720
says launch Hilo right they did they

1282
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,540
launched a Helo and the pilots and the

1283
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:03,359
crew on that kilo reported seeing these

1284
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,339
things go above their flight altitude to

1285
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,640
evade them and then into the water to

1286
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:10,800
evade them so now I've got direct

1287
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:13,619
eyewitnesses that saw them go into water

1288
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:15,300
track them down into the water we always

1289
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:16,380
thought they were going into the water

1290
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,359
that's what our government told us was

1291
00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:20,880
happening in these documents we obtained

1292
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:23,579
right however now we got eyewitnesses

1293
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,020
now are they going to come forward with

1294
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:26,880
me probably not but like I'm telling you

1295
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,900
and I've been right about everything

1296
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,760
else so the Hilo guys that would be you

1297
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:31,740
that would be you next yeah yeah no that

1298
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:35,099
that's a you know it's a pretty uh a

1299
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:36,900
typical response if there was something

1300
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:38,819
you know uh because you don't know what

1301
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:41,160
it is but hell maybe it was a you know

1302
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,420
maybe there's somebody that needs help

1303
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:43,680
in the water and that's why you would

1304
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:46,260
send a Hilo out there to conduct some

1305
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:47,819
sort of search and Recovery effort you

1306
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:50,700
know to try and recover whatever it was

1307
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:54,000
um and uh gosh you know I'd love to I'd

1308
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,040
love to to talk to those those pods

1309
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,200
myself but um and that one that one I

1310
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,180
think would be very easy to connect here

1311
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:02,400
right that's like just somebody who and

1312
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:04,140
this is something you know out of his

1313
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:05,460
personal interest if he wants to talk to

1314
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,900
him great right I mean I don't need the

1315
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,760
back up a few to say it's real but the

1316
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:10,740
thing is for your knowledge that's so

1317
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:14,099
important so 100 yeah no the the look it

1318
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:16,260
and and let's be honest and I know we're

1319
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,940
going to talk about it here more in a

1320
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:19,200
second but those aren't the only

1321
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,180
Witnesses no we're about to go deep Bro

1322
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:24,240
so yeah so so basically I just wanted to

1323
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,859
bring into the Forefront of our

1324
00:46:30,490 --> 00:46:28,079
conversation before we leave the Omaha

1325
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:30,500
one of the other videos that you made

1326
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,000
is the the radar screen that's right

1327
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,280
which shows there's like 14 of these

1328
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:36,720
things popping in and out around that

1329
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,420
ship yeah that kind of circumstance I

1330
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:41,520
mean I'm sure Navy ships encountered

1331
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:43,140
drones and balloons and things that

1332
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,480
whether they're closer to Shore or out

1333
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,520
in the ocean but would that be a cause

1334
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,680
for alarm maybe have these targets of

1335
00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:52,020
Unknown Origin all around on the around

1336
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:55,319
the ship absolutely you know and I hear

1337
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,200
it look at I I follow UFO Twitter and I

1338
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,000
see the banter going back and forth and

1339
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:02,400
and I hear folks you know complaining

1340
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:03,720
about well you know you why don't you

1341
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:05,099
just shoot them down well hold on a

1342
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:07,020
second you know there's you know people

1343
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:09,240
have to understand uh again it's not

1344
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,980
like the movie it's not like on TV we're

1345
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,420
not just going guns ablazing everywhere

1346
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,460
we go as much as people would like to

1347
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,040
think that there are very specific steps

1348
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:20,160
that have to happen for uh any navy unit

1349
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:24,420
to to uh track something and certainly

1350
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:25,740
engage something you know I mean when

1351
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,819
you're when you're when you've got

1352
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:28,319
something leaving the barrel I mean

1353
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:30,119
that's a big deal and you're just off

1354
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,560
the coast of California speak up you're

1355
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:32,880
just off the coast of California we're

1356
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:35,460
in our own backyard you know uh we're

1357
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,800
not uh we're not going out there loaded

1358
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,880
to Bear every time we go you know

1359
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:40,440
majority of our of our flying is

1360
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,880
training we're out there training you

1361
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,500
know and no we don't train with live

1362
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,420
ordinance in fact training with live

1363
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:48,119
ordinances happens less often than not

1364
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,319
you know so uh so no yes it is a big

1365
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:54,480
deal that uh that there were unknowns or

1366
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:58,079
unidentified swarming uh uh our units

1367
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:00,060
um are there procedures in place to

1368
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,280
counteract that sure but you know you

1369
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,140
got to remember we're not we're not

1370
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,240
overseas we're in our own backyard uh

1371
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,400
conducting training which is both more

1372
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:11,040
concerning and but you know right yeah

1373
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:12,420
okay so here's the deal the first thing

1374
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,800
is what you're saying is you look before

1375
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:15,780
you pull the trigger yeah 100 so I'll

1376
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:17,099
give my two cents on it which is

1377
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,660
directly from some of the individuals

1378
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:21,200
fighting these ships is that there is a

1379
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:24,180
triangle of kinetic action which is

1380
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:27,300
opportunity intent and capability so I

1381
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,859
asked a lot of the sailors and a lot of

1382
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,660
people involved who would be pulling the

1383
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,579
trigger I was like so how do you feel

1384
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:34,800
about this now that it's all done they

1385
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:36,780
think I feel like I failed in my duties

1386
00:48:40,609 --> 00:48:38,520
I go well what do you mean it like

1387
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:40,619
haunts some of these folks right because

1388
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,500
they didn't it didn't seem like an

1389
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,540
aggressive maneuver it seemed more like

1390
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,700
of a surveillance and performance these

1391
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:48,720
are the words that were said to me

1392
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:50,760
remember and I'll be specific because I

1393
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,680
don't think people know but around these

1394
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,420
10 ships there's usually one high

1395
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:56,400
altitude and we know that it went up to

1396
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:58,920
about 21 000 feet which is important to

1397
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,060
keep in mind

1398
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,220
and then there was this ballet around

1399
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:04,680
them taunting coming in at an angle

1400
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,819
however there was action taken there was

1401
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:10,380
action taken I think we'll talk about

1402
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,020
this which is that uh on two of the

1403
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:15,780
ships in particular there was anti-drone

1404
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,660
technology that was attempted to be used

1405
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:20,400
and different types on one of the ship

1406
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,780
was three different types that they

1407
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,240
three different ways all of which were

1408
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:26,880
ineffective now and they went out and

1409
00:49:31,569 --> 00:49:29,160
did a test after right something guys

1410
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:31,579
went out and did a test after to see hey

1411
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:34,020
it worked like a charm right they would

1412
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:35,400
be able to hit things down Return to

1413
00:49:39,370 --> 00:49:37,319
Sender no problem it didn't work in this

1414
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:39,380
sense it did not work in this instance

1415
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:42,359
and I know of personally three ships

1416
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,500
that it was three that tried to was it

1417
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:48,599
two or three that tried to do this

1418
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,940
actual defense maneuver which you know

1419
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:52,319
obviously it's like no big deal

1420
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:53,579
something's there you can shoot it down

1421
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:56,760
but or you can get it down but also

1422
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:59,099
there was uh attempts to just find out

1423
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,780
where are they coming from right so

1424
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:02,160
we'll get more into that but let's show

1425
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:04,619
the um let's show the radar footage I

1426
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,300
want to get your opinion on this so the

1427
00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:09,359
second video Zach is the should be radar

1428
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,819
footage so we've all seen this and I

1429
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:13,980
just want to see in the middle right in

1430
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,540
the middle of the image that's the ship

1431
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:18,240
right yep okay and so you see these

1432
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:19,500
things popping in and out the reason

1433
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,300
this is important is because again it's

1434
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:23,400
all about corroborative data okay it's

1435
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,859
not just the witnesses it's not just the

1436
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:28,380
uh the the the thermal the thermal

1437
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,880
footage of an object going in the water

1438
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:31,680
you know you've got

1439
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,359
um screen capture of real objects uh

1440
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,280
around the ship yeah and there's up to I

1441
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:40,260
think 14 and the thing is they're kind

1442
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,180
of going in and out of radar because in

1443
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:44,579
this radar system if they go below that

1444
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:46,140
scan volume they can kind of disappear

1445
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:47,640
for a second sure so they were wondering

1446
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,500
what's going on turns out a lot of these

1447
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,960
were apparently going into the water and

1448
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:54,300
having this a trans medium vehicle okay

1449
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,740
great so now you've got these

1450
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:58,020
illuminated objects about 10 to 14 feet

1451
00:51:02,329 --> 00:50:59,819
in diameter that have no control

1452
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:02,339
surfaces that are flying with impunity

1453
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,260
and going in and out of the water going

1454
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,240
up to like 21 000 feet at least that we

1455
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:08,819
know of I mean this this is pretty this

1456
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:11,099
is starting to build a an interesting

1457
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,500
case we've got radar now we've got

1458
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:15,480
thermal and a bunch of eyewitnesses that

1459
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,300
people haven't heard from yet right yeah

1460
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:20,640
what I'm at as somebody who's completely

1461
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:22,619
ignorant of this technology I'd be

1462
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:25,140
wondering what are they doing yeah what

1463
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:26,819
is the purpose of that is a surveillance

1464
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:28,440
is intelligence gathering what would be

1465
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:29,700
your guess well that's that's a million

1466
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:31,940
dollar question right is is um

1467
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,880
who's operating them you know number one

1468
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:37,680
what's their intent because it's it's a

1469
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,440
little it's it's ambiguous right uh

1470
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:42,540
they didn't crash into the ship thank

1471
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,720
God they didn't um they they weren't uh

1472
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:47,280
running into people or anything like

1473
00:51:51,049 --> 00:51:49,380
that but they were certainly like like

1474
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:51,059
you said like we've heard from folks

1475
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,319
that we've talked to there was

1476
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,000
definitely this sense of uh maybe some

1477
00:51:57,770 --> 00:51:56,160
sort of surveillance and performance

1478
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:57,780
aspect of it yeah look what I can do

1479
00:52:03,650 --> 00:51:59,880
look what I can do yeah and we'll talk

1480
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,660
about it uh a little bit later on but

1481
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:05,760
these objects performing Maneuvers that

1482
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:08,040
are just I mean come on they're they're

1483
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:10,619
not uh they're not drones okay they're

1484
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:12,180
not conventional and we're going to get

1485
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:14,339
into some of what Witnesses have said

1486
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,400
but I want to go to the third piece of

1487
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:19,440
um that I think is important it's not as

1488
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:21,660
uh it's not as visually stunning it's at

1489
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,099
least visually stunning but the next

1490
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,619
video Zach uh called deck footage and

1491
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:27,599
this just why this is important to me so

1492
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:29,460
you got like a thermal thing and you're

1493
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,800
like okay that's probably just you could

1494
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,240
discard it say that's probably just a

1495
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,559
balloon then you get radar and you

1496
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:36,480
realize okay no this is something more

1497
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:39,059
substantial then you get this footage

1498
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:40,619
and I thought it was so important

1499
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:42,119
released it last because it was least

1500
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:44,280
visually stunning but why this footage

1501
00:52:48,349 --> 00:52:46,619
to me is important is because now you

1502
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:48,359
can't say that that's just you know some

1503
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,520
hot or cold balloon like okay well it's

1504
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:52,319
self-luminous so now these things got

1505
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,880
lights so all of a sudden they're

1506
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:56,400
machines right this is like so I found

1507
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:58,020
this to be important that they're

1508
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,880
self-luminous and this is just some dude

1509
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:01,920
on the deck filming hey there you know

1510
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,059
they're surrounding our ship what's

1511
00:53:07,630 --> 00:53:04,800
going on right but I think that that was

1512
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:07,640
lost on a lot of people again it it it

1513
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,680
establishes in my mind corroborative

1514
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,960
Visual Evidence with each new source of

1515
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:14,880
evidence you get another perspective on

1516
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,020
you know I got to take this a little

1517
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,000
more seriously so that video itself is

1518
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:20,280
not super impressive but do you agree

1519
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:22,980
that it's good to have another layer

1520
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,619
right I would never discount any any of

1521
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,599
those pieces it all they're all pieces

1522
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:29,520
of the puzzle okay they're all pieces of

1523
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:31,980
the puzzle and uh and right now we don't

1524
00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:34,440
know if we even have all the pieces to

1525
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,119
build the puzzle I'm pretty sure there's

1526
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:37,680
some being held back to be honest I

1527
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,339
think so too and uh and so anything that

1528
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:43,500
we can we can get to try and uh a pain

1529
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:44,520
and accurate picture would happen I

1530
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:47,160
think is important we um you know we put

1531
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:50,520
these images out together uh Jeremy at

1532
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:51,440
first on his website

1533
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,160
extraordinarybeliefs.com and then me on

1534
00:53:58,030 --> 00:53:55,559
klas TV and of course you know they have

1535
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,040
a range of responses from the UFO world

1536
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,240
including from people who don't want

1537
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:01,980
this to be true either they don't like

1538
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,380
us they want to slap us down so they go

1539
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:06,720
to the Pentagon and say is this real and

1540
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,059
we made a point that all that footage

1541
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:11,280
was in the hands of the UAP task force

1542
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,859
in the Pentagon and to our absolute

1543
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:15,839
astonishment the Pentagon comes back and

1544
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:18,119
says yes it's real it was recorded by

1545
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:20,520
the Navy it gives us a little bit more

1546
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,140
credibility and shot down a lot of

1547
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:24,000
people who wanted to shoot us down and

1548
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,800
also I mean let's again because this is

1549
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:27,359
like a brand new conversation we're

1550
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:29,220
having about it let's be clear for

1551
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,559
everybody who doesn't know which is that

1552
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:33,599
and we I've said it before and we've

1553
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:36,420
said it before say it again so we had

1554
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,059
knowledge of certain assets that were in

1555
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:41,579
a UFO briefing that was being passed on

1556
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:43,020
within our military and our government

1557
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,440
to train people in order how to identify

1558
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:49,140
true UFOs and then how to report them

1559
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:51,240
now this was a a classified briefing

1560
00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:52,440
that was going around within the

1561
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:54,119
military that as journalists we got wind

1562
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:57,380
of but inside

1563
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,079
uninherently unclassified with some not

1564
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,599
everything we put out but some so we

1565
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:05,280
were able to get that information out to

1566
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:06,839
the public it was never going to be seen

1567
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,540
publicly but we got it out but on top of

1568
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:10,559
that

1569
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:16,140
our Pentagon didn't have a uaptf the

1570
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:18,900
task force they didn't have it so we

1571
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:21,180
were like kind of astonished well we

1572
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:22,380
should make sure they have it because

1573
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,079
we're about to release it so luckily we

1574
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,119
know people that it was the right way to

1575
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,280
do it and we said hey this is coming out

1576
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:31,440
I want to make sure you got it so we

1577
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,579
tried to do everything in the right way

1578
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:34,800
maybe that's why they so quickly

1579
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,420
validated that this is real military

1580
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,280
footage filmed of unidentified it's

1581
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:40,800
included in the investigation into UFOs

1582
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,900
maybe that's why because we did it right

1583
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:44,160
and got it too but that's so that's how

1584
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,780
it went down for the audience that

1585
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:47,760
doesn't know about this right but

1586
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,140
there's more to it

1587
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:52,079
it wasn't just one ship the USS Omaha

1588
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,420
there was also the USS Russell that we

1589
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,640
released uh not only video up together

1590
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,800
but also a slide that was contained in

1591
00:56:02,210 --> 00:56:00,599
that briefing this one gets everybody

1592
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:02,220
hot and bothered because first of all

1593
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:03,839
it's green right so let's pull that up

1594
00:56:08,089 --> 00:56:05,220
and let's talk about it let's go through

1595
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:08,099
this one so Zach the next slides first

1596
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,680
oh yeah let's do let's do the slide of

1597
00:56:15,230 --> 00:56:12,480
the Omaha I think that's the next one

1598
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,240
you're right this is an actual briefing

1599
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:17,640
slide that is unclassified however it

1600
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,079
was contained within a classified

1601
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:21,540
briefing as journalist George and I were

1602
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:25,280
able to obtain this image this is a uas

1603
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,660
unmanned aerial system some people say

1604
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:30,000
spherical in shape right they say it

1605
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,500
right there spherical in shape they

1606
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:33,480
search the water for wreckage the search

1607
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:35,400
was ineffective one of the people that

1608
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:37,980
actually designated like what these were

1609
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,220
you know it was like the only thing we

1610
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:44,480
had that we could classified as was

1611
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:47,520
unmanned because it wasn't let's say big

1612
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:50,460
enough as a normal craft to to hold a

1613
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,700
human so it was a UFO it was

1614
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,920
unidentified still is unidentified but

1615
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:57,960
we call it unmanned error system and

1616
00:57:02,089 --> 00:56:59,640
look this is straight out of a briefing

1617
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,099
and what it what's so important to me

1618
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:04,079
was that it's not just like we're making

1619
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,819
this up you know other things went in

1620
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:06,960
front of our eyes when we're

1621
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:09,180
investigating all this stuff we were

1622
00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:11,339
exposed to other information that's what

1623
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:13,380
I'm trying to say let's move on to the

1624
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:16,380
to the last bit of the USS Russell USS

1625
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:18,540
Russell was another ship that was out

1626
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:19,859
during this workout

1627
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,280
and the USS Russell it had a slightly

1628
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,260
different experience than the other ship

1629
00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:28,079
same kind of thing swarms but when

1630
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:30,660
George and I saw what was the videos and

1631
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:32,760
we saw what was reported we'll talk

1632
00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:34,140
about the slide what was reported but

1633
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:35,660
let's watch the video they look

1634
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:38,660
triangular by angle of observation

1635
00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:41,760
however we were told and it was in uh

1636
00:57:46,490 --> 00:57:43,319
things that passed in front of our eyes

1637
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:46,500
that they were pyramid in shape and so

1638
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:48,300
we reported that and we put it out and

1639
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,099
this is the video so you've seen this

1640
00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:51,599
one pretty famous now this is all over

1641
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,119
yeah you know I'm familiar with this

1642
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,640
clip and you know look at at the end of

1643
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:59,040
the day whether it's a

1644
00:58:02,809 --> 00:58:01,020
it's a pyramid or a triangle or whatever

1645
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:02,819
the hell it is you know I think what's

1646
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,859
lost on people again is the fact that

1647
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:06,720
that there was a there to begin with

1648
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,700
there was something there yeah uh well

1649
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:10,559
let's describe so what you're

1650
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:12,300
referencing is that there's this big

1651
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,460
argument about the shape of it right

1652
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,319
that's what people are saying it's a

1653
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:17,760
lens effect and actually they went all

1654
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,319
the way up to Congress at first it was

1655
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,200
the little nvg night vision

1656
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,200
um it was a PVS 14 is the standard issue

1657
00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:28,559
since 2001 to our armed services so the

1658
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:30,900
guys got this and he's filming through

1659
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,180
it with a camera so first they said this

1660
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:35,280
one had a triangle aperture right and

1661
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:37,619
that's what's causing this effect this

1662
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,660
Distortion right and then I was like

1663
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:41,760
looking at it because I'm like nah man

1664
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:44,460
nah they'd have to like consciously put

1665
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:46,920
tape on it so then they kind of

1666
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,780
backtracked move the goal post now it's

1667
00:58:52,970 --> 00:58:51,119
the camera that's doing this and we

1668
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:52,980
started asking people involved the

1669
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:54,359
funniest thing someone said to us was

1670
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,700
look if it was pyramid in shape it would

1671
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,079
still look like a pyramid even if there

1672
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:59,760
was an aperture issue which I thought

1673
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,099
was hilarious right that's true

1674
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:05,400
um so but but I'm not I'm not staking my

1675
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:06,900
claim yeah we don't have a dog in this

1676
00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:08,280
fight I don't care if it looks like a

1677
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,220
pyramid is it an unknown craft that's

1678
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,040
what we wanted to know and yeah it is

1679
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:15,119
what matters is there was something

1680
00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:17,460
there that wasn't supposed to be that we

1681
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,319
don't know what it was 700 feet as

1682
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:20,880
you've sent me a bunch there's a

1683
00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:22,859
rangefinder it was 700 feet above the

1684
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:24,839
deck and there were three of them and so

1685
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:26,940
we don't have all the videos from that

1686
00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:28,500
you know but there were three of them

1687
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:31,799
close proximity to one another 700 feet

1688
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,960
off of the tail of it right and it would

1689
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:35,400
follow the ship at one point the ship

1690
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:37,559
stopped and the objects stopped am I

1691
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:39,660
correct in saying that both of you have

1692
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:41,700
spoken with crew members who were there

1693
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:44,760
oh yeah people I don't know where we you

1694
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:47,760
have John yeah yeah I'm aware of people

1695
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:50,220
that were on those ships at that time

1696
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:53,220
and I can say I've filmed and recorded

1697
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:56,099
with people that were not only there at

1698
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,960
that time but had the responsibilities

1699
01:00:02,990 --> 01:00:00,240
and duties that would directly give me

1700
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,000
information about how the these things

1701
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:05,220
were dealt with and I think really

1702
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:07,380
importantly look so let's let's just get

1703
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,240
to the the basic understanding

1704
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:12,480
I don't care if these things are shaped

1705
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:16,140
like Mickey Mouse their craft of Unknown

1706
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:19,760
Origin flying with impunity moving along

1707
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:22,140
intelligently controlled we don't know

1708
01:00:24,589 --> 01:00:23,339
who's there we don't know where they

1709
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:24,599
came from where they launched where they

1710
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,420
landed and we took a action against them

1711
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:29,520
from the USS Russell in three different

1712
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:33,420
ways anti-drone technology and all of

1713
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,420
which were ineffective now when you talk

1714
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:38,640
about Witnesses and we've both talked

1715
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:40,260
with people involved and again I have

1716
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,579
filmed and recorded without you know

1717
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:42,720
they don't want it out they're active

1718
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:44,940
duty but they give me a good by letting

1719
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,160
me you know record of them but I'll tell

1720
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:49,740
you this and do you do you want to talk

1721
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:51,420
about this we we both one of the

1722
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:53,220
witnesses told us as they were watching

1723
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:54,780
it what did these things off the USS

1724
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:57,420
Russell what did they do one eyewitness

1725
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:58,920
account in particular that was it was

1726
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:01,740
pretty extraordinary uh first thing they

1727
01:01:06,849 --> 01:01:05,400
noticed was these lights kind of up and

1728
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,859
up in the sky

1729
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:09,359
well what made what distinguished these

1730
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:10,740
lights from many others is kind of the

1731
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:12,180
follow-on Maneuvers that it that

1732
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,040
executed right on the USS on the USS

1733
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,260
this is a sailor that we that we both

1734
01:01:21,069 --> 01:01:18,720
know and that was there yeah we saw it

1735
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:21,079
yeah they're up top side uh you know uh

1736
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,940
outside of the ship as opposed to some

1737
01:01:26,329 --> 01:01:25,200
of the other folks we've talked to who

1738
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,339
are kind of fighting from the inside of

1739
01:01:29,569 --> 01:01:28,079
the ship right who can't have they can't

1740
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:29,579
corroborate what they see on their

1741
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:30,900
screens visually with their eyeballs

1742
01:01:34,210 --> 01:01:32,819
right so that would be like it had a spy

1743
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:34,220
one yeah

1744
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:37,619
spy one Itself by the way has some weak

1745
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,740
properties but that that spy one they're

1746
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,240
inside the ship so they're kind of

1747
01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:44,880
getting that internal data of what the

1748
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:46,140
you know how they're moving the

1749
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:47,400
distances all that stuff where they're

1750
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:48,900
coming from right but then there's

1751
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:49,859
people talking but then there's people

1752
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:51,420
top side right and so this one

1753
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:52,680
individual in particular that we're

1754
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:56,099
talking about uh what they saw was you

1755
01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,599
know again these lights up in the sky

1756
01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:59,640
and all of a sudden they just dropped

1757
01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:02,520
down to the to the Horizon level

1758
01:02:06,049 --> 01:02:03,480
um you know

1759
01:02:07,250 --> 01:02:06,059
almost instantaneously right drops down

1760
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:07,260
the Horizon and all of a sudden it

1761
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,000
starts approaching the ship okay from a

1762
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:15,530
um while these lights come forward uh

1763
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:17,880
first it goes up the the port side of

1764
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:18,720
the ship

1765
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:20,940
and and it's funny to hear them talk

1766
01:02:23,809 --> 01:02:22,980
about it it's almost like they

1767
01:02:26,329 --> 01:02:23,819
um

1768
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,339
as this object or light or whatever it

1769
01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:28,559
was was uh kind of flying around the

1770
01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:31,140
ship the sailors on the deck are

1771
01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:33,180
following it right so the first they're

1772
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:35,099
on the afternoon of the ship and the

1773
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,240
objects move forward so they move

1774
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:38,160
forward right so now on the port forward

1775
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:39,720
side of the ship

1776
01:02:42,650 --> 01:02:41,040
um it's just floating there right a

1777
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,660
couple hundred feet in the air then it

1778
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:44,400
moves to the starboard side right across

1779
01:02:47,390 --> 01:02:46,200
and they they Scurry across the ship and

1780
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,400
they're kind of you know going through

1781
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:49,200
uh wherever they need to go to get to

1782
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:50,460
the other side to maintain eyes on it

1783
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:51,540
because they're they're just shocked at

1784
01:02:56,089 --> 01:02:53,099
what they're seeing

1785
01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:56,099
and then probably the most dramatic uh

1786
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,220
part of the of the of the of the event

1787
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,200
was once it moved to the starboard side

1788
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:03,119
of the ship it just shot straight up

1789
01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:05,460
into the air and the word that that the

1790
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:08,099
Sailor that we spoke with used was Zoom

1791
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,960
it zoomed it zoomed straight up in the

1792
01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:12,000
air and when you ask him did you hear

1793
01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:14,460
anything did you uh you know did you see

1794
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:15,480
anything in terms of like you know again

1795
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:17,160
like exhaust or something like that you

1796
01:03:20,329 --> 01:03:18,839
know or a song or right did you hear it

1797
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:20,339
right exactly

1798
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:21,720
um and of course the answer is no you

1799
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:23,940
know so this is like sounds like a drone

1800
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:25,380
I could buy at Walmart then or something

1801
01:03:30,289 --> 01:03:28,020
yeah yeah yeah hey obviously it is not

1802
01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:30,299
yeah no obviously obviously it's not you

1803
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:32,339
know um and again if we're going to take

1804
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,599
uh that Sailors uh account at Facebook

1805
01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:38,640
which I do and again I I know the

1806
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:40,140
individual and I I trust that what

1807
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:41,700
there's they're telling it like it is

1808
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:43,260
they they're telling it what they saw

1809
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:44,640
right

1810
01:03:48,349 --> 01:03:46,680
um it's dramatic and no it's not a drone

1811
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:48,359
from Walmart that you can get and this

1812
01:03:51,890 --> 01:03:50,040
is or for any or anywhere else for that

1813
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,900
matter that I know of yeah and this is

1814
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:53,640
one of many eyewitness it's a little

1815
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:54,900
frustrating I'm saying that what's

1816
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:56,579
missing is these people coming forward

1817
01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:59,099
and saying you know look I was part of

1818
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,020
that and this is what I encountered it's

1819
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,119
just hard to get people to come and do

1820
01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:06,000
that because of the nature of uh you

1821
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:07,559
know working in in the military but

1822
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:09,480
these accounts this whole issue about

1823
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:12,780
drones uh has been used to discredit and

1824
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:16,020
debunk many of these incidents

1825
01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:18,420
um and to to take strip it of its Aura

1826
01:04:22,430 --> 01:04:20,579
of mystery can you without giving away

1827
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:22,440
or crossing a line can you just talk

1828
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:24,660
about drones and whether you see them

1829
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,579
and you know you've served both

1830
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:28,799
domestically in the Navy and around the

1831
01:04:33,049 --> 01:04:31,380
globe sure do you see do people send up

1832
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,059
drones and take pictures of Navy ships

1833
01:04:36,650 --> 01:04:35,099
do you see adversary drones that are

1834
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:36,660
into intelligence gathering operation

1835
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:38,280
what I'll say is this is what I'm

1836
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:39,540
comfortable saying what I'll say is this

1837
01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:40,680
is that

1838
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,319
um short answer yeah yeah you know we're

1839
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,319
we're out there we're as on the front

1840
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:48,240
lines as you can get you know around the

1841
01:04:54,530 --> 01:04:51,660
world and um so do we encounter uh

1842
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:54,540
drones yeah we absolutely do

1843
01:04:58,430 --> 01:04:56,520
um and it's only gotten you know as

1844
01:05:00,289 --> 01:04:58,440
drones have proliferated around the

1845
01:05:02,690 --> 01:05:00,299
world they've become cheaper and easier

1846
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:02,700
to get a hold of and and operate yeah

1847
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,140
it's something that that we encounter

1848
01:05:07,849 --> 01:05:06,240
you know pretty regularly you know me

1849
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,859
personally on on deployments around the

1850
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,079
world yeah we've we've come across it

1851
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,720
um so it's definitely something it's

1852
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:13,920
something that we have to take into

1853
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,260
account whenever we're going uh you know

1854
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,540
Over the Horizon and working around the

1855
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:20,400
world well we've read Public Accounts

1856
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,680
media accounts that show that our

1857
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:24,839
adversaries are developing drones we're

1858
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,220
seeing you know you can't talk about

1859
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:28,079
this but in the Ukraine drones have

1860
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:30,839
taken a a very pivotal role in that

1861
01:05:35,809 --> 01:05:33,420
conflict that's going on so China Russia

1862
01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:35,819
we're sure they're develo developing

1863
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:38,099
some Advanced drones I mean do you see

1864
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,660
I don't know if you can talk about this

1865
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,280
do you see drones of a more

1866
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,440
sophisticated level that you know is

1867
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:45,660
being flown by some potential adversary

1868
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,920
unfortunately I'm going to have to

1869
01:05:51,470 --> 01:05:48,960
politely decline to sure to comment on

1870
01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:51,480
that but um but like I said you know in

1871
01:05:55,789 --> 01:05:53,339
short there there's something that we

1872
01:05:56,809 --> 01:05:55,799
have to uh take into account that we

1873
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:56,819
didn't really have to take into account

1874
01:06:01,549 --> 01:05:58,680
you know 10 12 years ago like we do now

1875
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,559
uh it's it's something that we have to

1876
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:03,839
consider when we're going going abroad

1877
01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:05,700
and you know operating on the Drone

1878
01:06:09,650 --> 01:06:08,099
question so it also depends on where you

1879
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:09,660
are so Jeremy you've got some great

1880
01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:12,480
information and testimony yeah based on

1881
01:06:17,809 --> 01:06:15,420
where these do you don't encounter Kmart

1882
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,819
drones 100 miles out the seat right yeah

1883
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:19,680
so so let's so what we're going to do

1884
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:22,440
now is is kind of bring a new body of

1885
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:23,880
evidence and information to people

1886
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:25,920
because I for me it's like you know I'm

1887
01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:27,240
getting all this information and it's

1888
01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:29,579
starting to to really make me understand

1889
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:31,619
what's happening the argument has never

1890
01:06:36,170 --> 01:06:34,319
been by the way drone drone is just a

1891
01:06:38,029 --> 01:06:36,180
designation of something that doesn't

1892
01:06:40,250 --> 01:06:38,039
have an immediate physical biological

1893
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:40,260
pilot in it and it's usually determined

1894
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:42,420
by the size of the craft and by the

1895
01:06:46,730 --> 01:06:44,280
maneuverability but again remember that

1896
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:46,740
drone that we're looking at is spherical

1897
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:48,420
with no flight control system so I'm

1898
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:49,799
already a little skeptical that this is

1899
01:06:52,430 --> 01:06:50,940
a Walmart thing

1900
01:06:54,589 --> 01:06:52,440
so

1901
01:06:56,089 --> 01:06:54,599
what I think now is with the with the

1902
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,099
Paul Hamilton

1903
01:07:01,309 --> 01:06:58,319
Let's uh let's talk about this ship it

1904
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,319
hasn't gotten a lot of attention uh and

1905
01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:03,119
this was one of the 10 ships that was

1906
01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:06,839
part of this 2019 swarm and very

1907
01:07:13,130 --> 01:07:10,020
uniquely the Paul Hamilton was in

1908
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,140
closest proximity to a ship called the

1909
01:07:19,609 --> 01:07:16,319
Bass Strait which is a cargo ship uh

1910
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:19,619
that's run by a Pacific base

1911
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:22,140
and what's I want to start with an image

1912
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,000
that comes up about what the media has

1913
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:26,880
said right which is that case has been

1914
01:07:30,770 --> 01:07:28,680
solved so Zach can we bring up the first

1915
01:07:32,809 --> 01:07:30,780
image from New York Post they're

1916
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:32,819
horrible disingenuous ridiculous

1917
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:35,220
parroted reporting of a untruth because

1918
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,200
you're about to see it so if people can

1919
01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:40,200
see that mysterious drone attacks on U.S

1920
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:41,460
warships

1921
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:44,880
solved I I don't agree with that

1922
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:47,339
assessment and let's get to specifically

1923
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:49,140
why but to tell you what that's saying

1924
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:51,960
so there was a cargo ship that was right

1925
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:54,599
by the Paul Hamilton and it has been

1926
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,440
propagated this mythology that the these

1927
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:00,960
hundred plus drones within a hundred

1928
01:08:06,589 --> 01:08:03,599
mile radius were launched from and

1929
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,599
landed back to this ship called the Bass

1930
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,359
Strait in fact it's propagated so much

1931
01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:11,520
you can even find it on Wikipedia now if

1932
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:13,380
you pull up the wikipedias ACT it's like

1933
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:15,000
it's already you know just okay

1934
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:17,400
Wikipedia there we go just go ahead and

1935
01:08:22,189 --> 01:08:19,739
read it Pacific Basin is the owner and

1936
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,199
operator of Bass Strait a cargo ship

1937
01:08:26,749 --> 01:08:24,600
that launched a series of drones that

1938
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:26,759
surveilled and harassed U.S Navy ships

1939
01:08:32,090 --> 01:08:29,400
including the USS Paul Hamilton and the

1940
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,100
Waters of Southern California in 2019 no

1941
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:34,080
equivocation it is the ship that

1942
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:35,699
launched these drones yeah so let's get

1943
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,080
that garbage off the screen because it's

1944
01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:39,359
false okay so but here's the deal man

1945
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:41,219
the reason why you find it trickle down

1946
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:43,620
to which Wikipedia is because this has

1947
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,900
been a false narrative that has been

1948
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:48,000
propagated by you know subpar

1949
01:08:51,769 --> 01:08:49,739
journalists and subpar journalism

1950
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:51,779
sources and they try to trickle it down

1951
01:08:56,209 --> 01:08:54,060
all the way now someone just reads that

1952
01:08:59,209 --> 01:08:56,219
they're like oh great case solved so

1953
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:59,219
let's back the [\h__\h] up okay Paul

1954
01:09:03,050 --> 01:09:00,359
Hamilton

1955
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:03,060
so I think what we should do is we

1956
01:09:06,169 --> 01:09:04,799
should we have two witnesses that were

1957
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:06,179
willing to put their voice out there

1958
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:07,799
sure and you can affirm that they are

1959
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:09,299
actually no these are guys that I I know

1960
01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:11,400
personally um one of them I work with

1961
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,620
every day oh wow yeah okay there we go

1962
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:15,600
guys that I'm very familiar with okay

1963
01:09:21,650 --> 01:09:18,600
yeah so yeah it's funny man i i people

1964
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,660
are happy to to share on the level that

1965
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,759
they can about these experiences so I'm

1966
01:09:27,050 --> 01:09:25,440
going to play I think an audio clip

1967
01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:27,060
would be good for the first using the

1968
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,580
names though right no no no okay

1969
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:32,940
no way um so this is

1970
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,179
Paul Hamilton 10 ships 2019 swarm

1971
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,920
individuals that were there two of them

1972
01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:39,600
want to get their perspective on a few

1973
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:43,319
things so first was you know asking is

1974
01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:45,779
this a test was this just some U.S

1975
01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:47,940
government test you know during workups

1976
01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:50,040
right and we'll just listen to it and

1977
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:51,719
talk about it after

1978
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,640
what did you think was going on during

1979
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:55,980
this encounter series did you think this

1980
01:09:59,209 --> 01:09:57,300
was a test

1981
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,219
so like we didn't really think anything

1982
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:01,199
of it other than

1983
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:03,960
that it was like the people testing us

1984
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,140
like purposefully send out drones to go

1985
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,880
harassment so it's like the most

1986
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,760
high-end technology following us and

1987
01:10:14,689 --> 01:10:12,960
then after the first night that was

1988
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,699
pretty apparent that it wasn't but like

1989
01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:16,560
at the same time it's like hey you need

1990
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:19,380
to track this more closely you need to

1991
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:22,199
follow and see where to go afterwards

1992
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:24,360
isn't it typical though if that were the

1993
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:27,179
scenario and you were being tested at

1994
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,620
some point afterwards you would be made

1995
01:10:32,689 --> 01:10:30,960
aware that you were being tested and

1996
01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:32,699
whether or not you passed or didn't pass

1997
01:10:39,649 --> 01:10:36,540
the test yeah and that never happened no

1998
01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:39,659
no because like it wasn't a test unless

1999
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:41,159
there's like a secret at like the

2000
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,020
highest level and no one's told anyone

2001
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:45,900
that wasn't a test during spot but like

2002
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:48,420
the mindset at the time is test during

2003
01:10:53,090 --> 01:10:50,940
SWAT but also looking back with like

2004
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:53,100
kind of a clear eye it's like that makes

2005
01:10:57,229 --> 01:10:54,900
no sense to have a test that lasts that

2006
01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:57,239
long at night after a really busy day

2007
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,219
when we're shooting like live ordinance

2008
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,960
during the day

2009
01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:02,880
it would just get into the safety of

2010
01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:05,159
like what we were doing and it wouldn't

2011
01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:07,739
make any sense for them to do that

2012
01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:10,500
so explain to us like you know so this

2013
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:12,060
is somebody that is saying he's saying

2014
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:13,560
it's it wasn't a test device it wasn't

2015
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:16,380
our Tech so explain that so so you know

2016
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:17,460
what you hear that individual talking

2017
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,620
about in the beginning is you know at at

2018
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:21,480
first that's kind of the Assumption

2019
01:11:24,649 --> 01:11:23,100
everybody makes right yeah okay we're

2020
01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:24,659
being tested you know they're sending

2021
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,580
out drones the tests are are different

2022
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:28,560
tactics and procedures to respond to

2023
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,420
this thing but then it starts happening

2024
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:32,159
night after night

2025
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,140
um it's happening at hours that are

2026
01:11:38,030 --> 01:11:36,960
really really outside of the hours of

2027
01:11:40,850 --> 01:11:38,040
testing if you want to call it that

2028
01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:40,860
right because you got to remember uh

2029
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:42,780
these ships are participating in other

2030
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:43,920
training events throughout the entire

2031
01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:45,780
day okay and shooting live ordinance you

2032
01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:47,460
heard them talk about that and like told

2033
01:11:51,169 --> 01:11:48,780
you before whenever we shoot live

2034
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,179
ordinance that's a big deal okay

2035
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:53,040
um certainly in in real world actions

2036
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:55,020
and but also in training you know

2037
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:56,940
um we don't we don't do that lightly and

2038
01:12:02,689 --> 01:11:59,460
there's a lot that goes into that so the

2039
01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:02,699
idea that we would be executing a high

2040
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:05,640
stress uh high-level event during the

2041
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:09,540
day and then to be tested uh with drone

2042
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:11,340
swarms in the middle not because you got

2043
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:12,719
to remember you got to put yourself in

2044
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,040
the mindset in the shoes of these guys

2045
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,040
back in 2019. this is happening you know

2046
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:19,860
about 2200 to like zero three you know

2047
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:21,300
at night you know 10 o'clock at night

2048
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,440
till about two or three in the morning

2049
01:12:26,570 --> 01:12:24,480
sometimes right

2050
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:26,580
um and I mean is it totally other

2051
01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:28,920
question that that we would be tested at

2052
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:31,380
that time no but you have when you

2053
01:12:35,209 --> 01:12:32,699
consider and you heard him so I'm glad

2054
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:35,219
you heard him say it safety right no

2055
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:36,480
matter what we're doing we're always

2056
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:37,620
going to

2057
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,199
um operate with a certain level amount

2058
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:42,239
of safety precautions imbued into the

2059
01:12:45,530 --> 01:12:44,100
into the training event so that we don't

2060
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,540
do something stupid or God probably get

2061
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:47,520
somebody hurt you know

2062
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:49,800
um so you heard him talk about that

2063
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,560
you heard him talk about how uh okay

2064
01:12:56,570 --> 01:12:54,960
night one okay it's probably a test but

2065
01:12:58,490 --> 01:12:56,580
then something that you heard him say

2066
01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:58,500
was that

2067
01:13:02,990 --> 01:13:01,080
higher folks higher up in the chain of

2068
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:03,000
command started asking hey start

2069
01:13:07,149 --> 01:13:04,500
Gathering all the data that you can

2070
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:07,159
about this and feed it up okay

2071
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:10,620
uh if and who knows maybe it was a maybe

2072
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:11,880
it was a test of our information

2073
01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:14,820
gathering capabilities but I I that is

2074
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,860
not something uh that would be typically

2075
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:18,239
done right there's much more important

2076
01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:20,280
aspects of our tax and procedures that

2077
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:21,659
need to be tested not how information

2078
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:23,340
flows up and down the chain that's easy

2079
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:25,500
you can easily put a report together and

2080
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:27,020
send it up to whoever it needs

2081
01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:29,820
objects with no Point of Departure at

2082
01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:31,560
land exactly so

2083
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:34,260
um night one sure maybe Knight two three

2084
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,659
four or whatever it is they realize okay

2085
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,920
this is real and there's something else

2086
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:40,560
going on here and oh by the way uh again

2087
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:42,060
folks hire in the chain of command are

2088
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:44,460
asking for us to stay on on this case

2089
01:13:47,209 --> 01:13:45,780
you know

2090
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:47,219
um so

2091
01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:49,320
so to put your point to go to your point

2092
01:13:53,870 --> 01:13:51,960
there is that okay first we eliminate

2093
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:53,880
this was our technology and it was just

2094
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:55,560
a test it started becoming very apparent

2095
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,719
to everybody on the ships you know whoa

2096
01:14:01,610 --> 01:13:59,760
this is this is real like we got to deal

2097
01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:01,620
with this this is not just some you know

2098
01:14:05,570 --> 01:14:03,480
even like a black projects test which by

2099
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:05,580
the way is not something you do like you

2100
01:14:09,050 --> 01:14:07,620
know in that training area around but

2101
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:09,060
I've talked to people that have

2102
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:10,980
encountered black projects and there is

2103
01:14:13,970 --> 01:14:12,540
a process oh there's there's a whole

2104
01:14:17,209 --> 01:14:13,980
process tell us about it no uh

2105
01:14:18,410 --> 01:14:17,219
absolutely look at um sure they're I

2106
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:18,420
haven't had this happening personally

2107
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,040
but I know of guys personally who have

2108
01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:22,080
who have seen stuff they shouldn't have

2109
01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:23,960
seen Amanda Underwood did there you go

2110
01:14:28,010 --> 01:14:26,280
he has you know you come across

2111
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:28,020
something that you see that you're not

2112
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:29,159
supposed to see where you're going to

2113
01:14:32,209 --> 01:14:30,540
get a call you know especially as an

2114
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:32,219
aviator you know you as soon as you land

2115
01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:34,260
on deck and you start uh doing all the

2116
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:35,580
necessary paperwork required for any

2117
01:14:39,290 --> 01:14:37,739
flight anyway you're also going to get a

2118
01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:39,300
call from the appropriate intelligence

2119
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:41,100
folks and be like hey sorry I need you

2120
01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:43,260
to come by the the Intel shop and you

2121
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,760
got to fill out the it's a huge hassle

2122
01:14:49,790 --> 01:14:47,520
right and as as

2123
01:14:50,990 --> 01:14:49,800
you know I can imagine that for you know

2124
01:15:22,430 --> 01:14:51,000
a

2125
01:15:24,590 --> 01:15:22,440
they it is undetermined everybody we

2126
01:15:26,750 --> 01:15:24,600
know involved in this we don't know

2127
01:15:28,910 --> 01:15:26,760
whose these were but let's just start

2128
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:28,920
with eliminating these were not ours

2129
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:30,840
that's the consensus of everybody that's

2130
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:32,219
to the best of our understanding that's

2131
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,500
it just despite their capabilities they

2132
01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:36,480
weren't ours well it wasn't a test as I

2133
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:37,980
think is you know it wasn't it certainly

2134
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:41,280
wasn't a test you know so I want to play

2135
01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:43,620
another clip now and this one is really

2136
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:45,719
important we we kind of put this forward

2137
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:47,880
in one of our first episodes you know

2138
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:49,980
that these things were coming from the

2139
01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:51,540
west and I it took me a while to

2140
01:15:54,830 --> 01:15:53,400
understand it and you really you know

2141
01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,840
this is what I like go to guts hey man

2142
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:56,820
does this mean anything he's like it

2143
01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:59,219
means a lot okay so let me let's hear

2144
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:00,659
what he had to say and then I want to

2145
01:16:10,729 --> 01:16:08,810
so from what direction was this swarm

2146
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:10,739
coming it was actually coming a little

2147
01:16:14,689 --> 01:16:13,440
less it was coming from the West yeah

2148
01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:14,699
from the West

2149
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,440
so over water

2150
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,840
over water away from Land I mean like

2151
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:20,400
the only thing you have over there is

2152
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:21,840
like Hawaii is probably the closest

2153
01:16:26,030 --> 01:16:24,480
thing left to us and when they were

2154
01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:26,040
departing what direction were they

2155
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:28,440
departing to they would depart in

2156
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:29,460
different

2157
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,040
on

2158
01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:34,080
so normally always from the west and

2159
01:16:38,570 --> 01:16:36,260
then departing in a different direction

2160
01:16:42,590 --> 01:16:38,580
yeah yeah

2161
01:16:44,750 --> 01:16:42,600
um not exclusively but uh yeah pretty

2162
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:44,760
constantly it'd be a different pairing

2163
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,520
which is weird right like so if you

2164
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:49,199
deploy a drone to go check something out

2165
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:50,940
he would come back so that was like

2166
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:52,980
something significant enough for us to

2167
01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:55,320
like report that hey these things are

2168
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:56,580
going a different direction that they

2169
01:16:59,330 --> 01:16:57,360
came

2170
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:59,340
okay why is that important yeah what is

2171
01:17:02,810 --> 01:17:00,840
he saying why is it important yeah so

2172
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:02,820
again you know the whole fact that these

2173
01:17:05,450 --> 01:17:04,080
things were coming from the west and you

2174
01:17:06,770 --> 01:17:05,460
hear him say you know I think the

2175
01:17:09,709 --> 01:17:06,780
closest thing to the West is Hawaii

2176
01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:09,719
right and you know Hawaii is you know I

2177
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:10,620
don't know how many thousands of

2178
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:12,300
nautical miles from the coast of San

2179
01:17:15,649 --> 01:17:13,500
Diego

2180
01:17:18,649 --> 01:17:15,659
um there's nothing out there there's

2181
01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:18,659
just open water to the West okay

2182
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:20,460
um and like he and like they mentioned

2183
01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:23,400
if it were a drone right or a typical

2184
01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:25,560
drone being operated by a typical drone

2185
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:26,699
operator

2186
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,960
typically if you're gonna go check

2187
01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:29,760
something out if I'm sitting here with

2188
01:17:33,050 --> 01:17:31,380
the Drone I got the joystick in my hand

2189
01:17:34,430 --> 01:17:33,060
and I've got the Drone in my lap here

2190
01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:34,440
I'm going to launch it across the street

2191
01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:36,360
I'm gonna go straight there and come

2192
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:38,040
straight back right

2193
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:38,640
um

2194
01:17:45,649 --> 01:17:42,000
it takes battery power to uh you know

2195
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,659
whenever you have uh long durations of

2196
01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:47,520
time of flight

2197
01:17:52,010 --> 01:17:50,460
um just the just just the uh controlling

2198
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,020
aspect of the Drone you want to maintain

2199
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:54,239
you know eyes on it all the time

2200
01:17:56,450 --> 01:17:55,380
um I guess you could make the argument

2201
01:17:58,610 --> 01:17:56,460
that well you know if you're really

2202
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:58,620
trying to surveil you kind of don't want

2203
01:18:01,810 --> 01:17:59,880
to come in on the same bearing that

2204
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:01,820
you're coming out on but regardless

2205
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:03,900
these things were always coming from the

2206
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:05,340
west and then departing into into

2207
01:18:09,229 --> 01:18:07,500
another Direction and there's nothing

2208
01:18:11,149 --> 01:18:09,239
out to the west but ocean yeah so even

2209
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:11,159
if we're talking off of another ship

2210
01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:12,600
let's be really clear so what's

2211
01:18:17,330 --> 01:18:14,300
happening is in this hundred mile radius

2212
01:18:19,010 --> 01:18:17,340
swarms simultaneously on 10 ships and

2213
01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:19,020
we're giving one example of Paul

2214
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:22,620
Hamilton where these objects are

2215
01:18:26,510 --> 01:18:24,360
appearing from the west where there is

2216
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:26,520
no land mass there's no ship that's

2217
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:27,960
going to be launching them from the West

2218
01:18:33,229 --> 01:18:31,679
no and then they're departing after long

2219
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,239
periods of durational use they're

2220
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:35,280
departing in another Direction so this

2221
01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:37,500
causes a problem of where's the launch

2222
01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:39,719
where's the land yeah the other part

2223
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,179
would be tracking them so let me play

2224
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:44,640
dumb Devil's Advocate let's say you've

2225
01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:46,440
developed a super duper double secret

2226
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:49,020
probation drone that can fly hundreds of

2227
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:50,640
miles and you launch it from say San

2228
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:52,860
Diego or Catalina and it's going to buzz

2229
01:18:56,209 --> 01:18:54,719
these ships you should be able to

2230
01:18:57,890 --> 01:18:56,219
attract those things those ships should

2231
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,900
be able to track them yeah go in the

2232
01:19:01,490 --> 01:18:59,520
coming there and going back that's a

2233
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,500
great point so even on the systems that

2234
01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:03,360
they were tracking them on they always

2235
01:19:07,550 --> 01:19:05,460
came from the West so it's not like it

2236
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:07,560
it's not like it um you know it's not

2237
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:09,480
like at launched from San Diego did a

2238
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:11,580
big circle around and then came from the

2239
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:14,100
West no it was always coming from the

2240
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:15,420
West originally does that make sense

2241
01:19:19,689 --> 01:19:17,340
yeah but there's no drone that you know

2242
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:19,699
of not that I know

2243
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:23,040
fly from Hawaii from the West no no and

2244
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:24,540
the other thing is we're hearing from

2245
01:19:28,669 --> 01:19:26,520
somebody very isolated that was there

2246
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:28,679
from the Paul Hamilton but those that

2247
01:19:33,950 --> 01:19:30,600
I've spoken with who were in a position

2248
01:19:36,830 --> 01:19:33,960
to know this on the Omaha said I'm gonna

2249
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:36,840
regret saying this to you Jeremy but

2250
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:39,780
they just seemed to appear That's when

2251
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:41,219
we started talking about the fact they

2252
01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:43,739
were going into the water so the the

2253
01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:46,140
idea is if they're going off rate or off

2254
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:49,020
scan volume and even optically as the as

2255
01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:50,820
I told you the Hilo Pilots are seeing go

2256
01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:53,159
into the water coming they're likely

2257
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:55,140
coming out of the water too so this is

2258
01:19:59,470 --> 01:19:56,580
that's what's really interesting this

2259
01:20:01,970 --> 01:19:59,480
possibility that they're trans medium

2260
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:01,980
emerging from the water and descending

2261
01:20:05,149 --> 01:20:03,480
into the water that's what could there

2262
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:05,159
be a submarine out there that's plunging

2263
01:20:10,729 --> 01:20:07,800
drone somewhere in the water uh and if

2264
01:20:12,169 --> 01:20:10,739
so would be able to detect a sub and

2265
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:12,179
detect where those drones are coming

2266
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,080
from

2267
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,120
right um

2268
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:17,040
right you can I think I'm gonna yeah I

2269
01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:18,480
think I won't be able to yeah but even

2270
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,540
even if you I mean I can tell you from

2271
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:23,520
public you know stuff that that is not a

2272
01:20:27,290 --> 01:20:25,380
technology that is currently readily

2273
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:27,300
available by Any Nation to be in our

2274
01:20:30,649 --> 01:20:28,500
Waters that I am aware of public

2275
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:30,659
knowledge anybody else that I know that

2276
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:33,540
that would know so this this idea that

2277
01:20:39,169 --> 01:20:36,540
look if there was a foreign Nation

2278
01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:39,179
submarine within that radius of those

2279
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:41,460
Hundred Mile ships that were launching

2280
01:20:44,930 --> 01:20:43,380
wouldn't that kind of be big news yeah

2281
01:20:46,370 --> 01:20:44,940
that'd be a big deal yeah I think that'd

2282
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:46,380
be a big deal so it's kind of a

2283
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:48,120
ridiculous idea that people they'll just

2284
01:20:51,530 --> 01:20:49,440
throw it out there like they were

2285
01:20:53,209 --> 01:20:51,540
probably launched as swarms by Subs we

2286
01:20:55,010 --> 01:20:53,219
know that that has been thrown out there

2287
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:55,020
that even newspapers have done it the

2288
01:21:00,590 --> 01:20:58,080
New York Times yeah so in advance of the

2289
01:21:02,689 --> 01:21:00,600
anticipated Halloween release of this

2290
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:02,699
UAP report to Congress the New York

2291
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,199
Times does a hit piece call it a

2292
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:06,000
pre-bunking whether you have these

2293
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:08,460
General generic explanations oh yeah

2294
01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:10,679
same thing as that New York Post story

2295
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:13,020
uh We've explained this all it's no big

2296
01:21:16,490 --> 01:21:14,760
deal it's got to be drones yeah and and

2297
01:21:18,169 --> 01:21:16,500
of course we don't know of any drones

2298
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:18,179
that fit the bill for this so I'm

2299
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,980
unsatisfied so far as we're going

2300
01:21:23,330 --> 01:21:21,360
through this exercise together I'm

2301
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:23,340
unsatisfied so far that we have figured

2302
01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:25,380
this out I am unsatisfied with that it's

2303
01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:27,480
some sort of Other Nation sub that you

2304
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:29,219
know that would be huge News man it's a

2305
01:21:32,270 --> 01:21:30,719
you know off the coast of California you

2306
01:21:35,450 --> 01:21:32,280
know within that 100 mile radius about

2307
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:35,460
50 miles that Circle begins so let's

2308
01:21:38,330 --> 01:21:36,840
kind of keep going down and see if we

2309
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:38,340
can figure this out but I the people

2310
01:21:41,570 --> 01:21:40,440
that are there it means something when

2311
01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:41,580
we can hear from them directly I'm

2312
01:21:49,490 --> 01:21:45,900
really grateful I can play these so

2313
01:21:51,890 --> 01:21:49,500
I also want for these Witnesses I think

2314
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:51,900
that it's important that you know the

2315
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:53,580
question is asked about you know is this

2316
01:21:57,470 --> 01:21:55,800
uh can you talk about this can you talk

2317
01:21:58,910 --> 01:21:57,480
to me about this because I think it's

2318
01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:58,920
important that people understand they

2319
01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:00,780
were never asked to not talk about it

2320
01:22:05,630 --> 01:22:03,300
they just want to play this clip

2321
01:22:08,510 --> 01:22:05,640
did anybody ever tell you before during

2322
01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:08,520
or after that that's classified you

2323
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:11,340
can't talk about it nobody explicitly or

2324
01:22:15,169 --> 01:22:12,840
implicitly said

2325
01:22:17,689 --> 01:22:15,179
never talk about this incident right

2326
01:22:21,169 --> 01:22:17,699
here nobody ever had you sign a page 13

2327
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:21,179
or an NDA saying this is our own black

2328
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:23,820
Tech and we tested it on ourselves don't

2329
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:26,100
talk about this the opposite no one said

2330
01:22:29,689 --> 01:22:28,260
anything about it no one ever brought up

2331
01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:29,699
the possibility hey that's an

2332
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,620
adversarial drone

2333
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,840
but like it's pretty common like if

2334
01:22:38,209 --> 01:22:35,520
something crazy happened

2335
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,219
and we think that an adversary has an

2336
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:40,320
upper hand then I could see them saying

2337
01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:42,420
that but the point is that's not what

2338
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,100
happened

2339
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,840
so I think it's important that we

2340
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,000
recognize that I'm just talking to an

2341
01:22:51,649 --> 01:22:50,400
individual in a way that is very uh it's

2342
01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:51,659
okay to do that they were never asked

2343
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,860
not to talk about it is that correct

2344
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:54,000
yeah well I'm sure you know look at

2345
01:22:56,330 --> 01:22:55,140
people are going to have questions you

2346
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,340
know how are they talking about this

2347
01:23:01,390 --> 01:22:59,040
without you know uh without catching

2348
01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:01,400
Flack or what you know because look it

2349
01:23:05,770 --> 01:23:03,540
because you can talk about it there's

2350
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:05,780
nothing that they uh

2351
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,640
there's nothing

2352
01:23:12,110 --> 01:23:10,320
um classified about talking about

2353
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,120
something that you saw you know in this

2354
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:15,120
context yeah you're here yeah as an

2355
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:16,880
American citizen yeah yeah yeah

2356
01:23:20,510 --> 01:23:19,260
you're right right like you know both

2357
01:23:22,970 --> 01:23:20,520
myself and yeah surely you know these

2358
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,980
guys yeah they're they're again they you

2359
01:23:26,510 --> 01:23:25,199
know because of um they just they happen

2360
01:23:27,770 --> 01:23:26,520
to be there because the capacitor their

2361
01:23:31,250 --> 01:23:27,780
job but you know

2362
01:23:32,630 --> 01:23:31,260
um not uh you know but but no that they

2363
01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:32,640
we can talk about it because there's

2364
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:34,020
there's nothing

2365
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:35,340
um inappropriate that we're you know

2366
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:36,540
that were that were mentioned yeah it's

2367
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:38,280
most people that that have gone on

2368
01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:40,860
camera with me or done interviews

2369
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,980
officially on record the reason I can't

2370
01:23:46,490 --> 01:23:45,120
put it out is because they've asked me

2371
01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:46,500
not to because they're still in their

2372
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:49,080
careers they you know high if they're in

2373
01:23:51,890 --> 01:23:50,219
real high command they don't want it for

2374
01:23:53,209 --> 01:23:51,900
that reason if they've just started out

2375
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:53,219
in the career they don't want it for

2376
01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:54,900
that reason a lot of time so it's like

2377
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:56,520
you know I have to respect that but at

2378
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:57,960
least I'm gathering the information well

2379
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,340
it goes back to stigma too you know

2380
01:24:02,689 --> 01:24:01,199
again it's not accepted everywhere in

2381
01:24:04,370 --> 01:24:02,699
all circles that you know you can you

2382
01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:04,380
can you can talk about it and again if

2383
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:05,880
somebody really wanted to pick bone with

2384
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:07,140
with these guys you know I'm sure they

2385
01:24:12,169 --> 01:24:10,140
could and but in terms of you know no

2386
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:12,179
there's no there's nothing that they're

2387
01:24:15,890 --> 01:24:13,920
there aren't breaking any rules you know

2388
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:15,900
by by talking about it so so I'm I'm

2389
01:24:19,729 --> 01:24:18,360
still unsatisfied that these are just uh

2390
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,739
foreign Nations drones so we're going to

2391
01:24:23,390 --> 01:24:21,420
continue down this um this one's really

2392
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:23,400
interesting this is a new witness also

2393
01:24:29,209 --> 01:24:26,820
from Paul Hamilton that uh you know gave

2394
01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:29,219
us a number of quotes talking about

2395
01:24:37,810 --> 01:24:33,060
drones at Sea in General on that

2396
01:24:43,610 --> 01:24:40,490
so on one of the videos that I released

2397
01:24:45,649 --> 01:24:43,620
our government said that this was

2398
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:45,659
evidence of a trans medium vehicle

2399
01:24:50,450 --> 01:24:48,179
something going into the water one of

2400
01:24:52,250 --> 01:24:50,460
these objects that that you were able to

2401
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,260
see from your ship that actually went

2402
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:54,719
into the water did you see that at all I

2403
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:55,800
didn't see anything going in the water

2404
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,780
like that and if that is actual clear

2405
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,719
footage from a vessel at that point it's

2406
01:25:05,330 --> 01:25:02,400
different than what I saw whenever it

2407
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:05,340
goes into the water but I will say that

2408
01:25:10,729 --> 01:25:09,120
its movement is exactly why we made the

2409
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:10,739
first drone calls and we were first

2410
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:12,780
being dismissed but we were so adamant

2411
01:25:17,090 --> 01:25:15,060
that they were drones and how it sort of

2412
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,100
is flying and then suddenly stops like

2413
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:19,199
that in a way that even like a

2414
01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:20,640
helicopter wouldn't and it didn't seem

2415
01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:23,000
like a like it was a very stable hover

2416
01:25:27,649 --> 01:25:26,580
and up and down in that same way and it

2417
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,659
seemed like you would have that for

2418
01:25:32,689 --> 01:25:29,760
enough movement as well we did have

2419
01:25:35,390 --> 01:25:32,699
conventional drones flown by adversary

2420
01:25:38,630 --> 01:25:35,400
Nations and uh non-adversarial Nations

2421
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:38,640
as well in our vicinity throughout that

2422
01:25:42,890 --> 01:25:40,500
deployment that was why we were

2423
01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:42,900
initially like these are not aircraft

2424
01:25:47,870 --> 01:25:44,580
that we typically deal with or see

2425
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:47,880
around here and and we had operated

2426
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,400
I I can't tell you I probably spent four

2427
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:53,040
months total at Sea in that specific

2428
01:25:57,610 --> 01:25:55,920
area in before and after and hadn't I

2429
01:26:00,169 --> 01:25:57,620
didn't see anything to that effect

2430
01:26:02,030 --> 01:26:00,179
flying with that pattern and we didn't

2431
01:26:05,570 --> 01:26:02,040
see it over the course of a deployment

2432
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:05,580
either anywhere so so so he's looking at

2433
01:26:10,189 --> 01:26:08,400
the video of the USS Omaha from the

2434
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:10,199
usoma thermal and seeing it go into the

2435
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:12,920
water you know his point was we saw

2436
01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:15,840
adversarial and our own drone technology

2437
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,360
this was not that so what did you get

2438
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:19,679
from it and what do you yeah that's a

2439
01:26:22,910 --> 01:26:21,420
big deal you know it

2440
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:22,920
um just just what you said you know

2441
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:24,900
they've you know you've got all these

2442
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:26,580
different data points okay I've seen

2443
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,840
that before I know what that looks like

2444
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:29,520
I've seen this before I know what that

2445
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,780
looks like

2446
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:32,760
what we saw in 2019 in the summer that

2447
01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:35,040
that's doesn't match you know these

2448
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:37,020
other encounters that we've had um known

2449
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:38,580
encounters that we've had of oh this is

2450
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:40,560
a drone from so and so and you know or

2451
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:41,820
this is our Joan and like he talked

2452
01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:43,199
about you know you hear him talk about

2453
01:26:47,090 --> 01:26:45,900
the movement right you know even as a

2454
01:26:48,890 --> 01:26:47,100
Helo guy I can tell you you know if

2455
01:26:51,890 --> 01:26:48,900
we're flying along and I want to come to

2456
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:51,900
a stop right and I'm and I can hover it

2457
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:53,760
takes time to execute that maneuver and

2458
01:26:57,410 --> 01:26:55,560
even if you try and yank and bank and

2459
01:26:59,689 --> 01:26:57,420
you know come to as quick of a stop as

2460
01:27:01,970 --> 01:26:59,699
you can there's still drift there's

2461
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:01,980
still momentum on the airframe that that

2462
01:27:05,209 --> 01:27:03,300
drags you along and it's not an

2463
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,219
instantaneous stop what he's talking

2464
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,960
about what they saw was

2465
01:27:11,209 --> 01:27:09,840
stable hover you know follow the ship

2466
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:11,219
what have you and then come into a

2467
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,480
complete stop and maintaining a stable

2468
01:27:17,090 --> 01:27:15,120
hover I mean nothing that we fly does

2469
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,100
that so that's I think that's important

2470
01:27:21,530 --> 01:27:19,440
to keep in mind so drone just means

2471
01:27:23,149 --> 01:27:21,540
unmanned I've never been one to argue

2472
01:27:25,010 --> 01:27:23,159
about that term that's a false argument

2473
01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:25,020
when we first reported it it just meant

2474
01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:26,460
it was unmanned you know it doesn't have

2475
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,159
like a you know a mouse in there you

2476
01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:31,679
know it's it's unmanned what he said

2477
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,739
that's so important to me is that we see

2478
01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:36,719
drones like that's something we deal

2479
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,280
with that's something our military deals

2480
01:27:43,129 --> 01:27:40,080
with none of us are saying that's not

2481
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:43,139
like that is a real issue this is not

2482
01:27:45,470 --> 01:27:44,460
that so we're trying to figure out what

2483
01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:45,480
this is

2484
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:46,860
um and now it gets kind of interesting

2485
01:27:51,410 --> 01:27:48,239
because we're talking about capabilities

2486
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,420
of these things this next piece um

2487
01:27:55,550 --> 01:27:53,760
oh is is how they name them drone

2488
01:27:57,229 --> 01:27:55,560
classification right like how so I'm

2489
01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:57,239
asking how do you name them drones or

2490
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,920
whatnot let's hear what this individual

2491
01:28:02,990 --> 01:28:00,960
has to say why do you think there's this

2492
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:03,000
predisposition to refer to them as

2493
01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:06,900
drones or call them that uh I mean based

2494
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:09,060
on our understanding the most reasonable

2495
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:10,800
explanation would be some sort of a

2496
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:13,199
drone or a UAB and then you sort of go

2497
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:14,639
to the connotation that's attached with

2498
01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:16,080
calling them what they actually are

2499
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:18,540
which is an unidentified flying object a

2500
01:28:22,970 --> 01:28:22,080
UFO they are technically that but that

2501
01:28:24,530 --> 01:28:22,980
doesn't mean that they're

2502
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,540
extraterrestrial like that's the

2503
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:26,639
connotation that comes with using that

2504
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:29,340
phrase even though that is the proper

2505
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:30,719
phrase for what we saw in what we

2506
01:28:34,970 --> 01:28:32,460
classified

2507
01:28:36,530 --> 01:28:34,980
so he's talking about classifying these

2508
01:28:38,030 --> 01:28:36,540
you know as drone I have something to

2509
01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:38,040
add to that but what what did you get

2510
01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:39,960
from what he just said again to me you

2511
01:28:44,689 --> 01:28:42,780
know the the subject of stigma is so uh

2512
01:28:45,709 --> 01:28:44,699
unfortunately you know I think that's

2513
01:28:47,209 --> 01:28:45,719
what he's talking about there you know

2514
01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:47,219
if you call it a UFO which is what it is

2515
01:28:51,410 --> 01:28:50,280
right it's an unidentified flying object

2516
01:28:54,189 --> 01:28:51,420
um there's a lot of baggage with that

2517
01:28:55,810 --> 01:28:54,199
you know hell even UAP you know uh

2518
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:55,820
automatically

2519
01:29:00,050 --> 01:28:58,920
right right no one's saying that I'm

2520
01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:00,060
just saying that it's some sort of

2521
01:29:05,870 --> 01:29:02,580
stigma absolutely and again to

2522
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,880
distinguish between uh uh

2523
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:07,679
you know like we talked about before how

2524
01:29:12,050 --> 01:29:09,480
you know a gila would have to kind of

2525
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:12,060
come to a slow stop and even a drone

2526
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:14,219
it's not completely instantaneous you

2527
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,540
know coming to a complete stop like like

2528
01:29:19,729 --> 01:29:17,280
they're talking about so

2529
01:29:22,250 --> 01:29:19,739
um no it's just they're calling it that

2530
01:29:23,390 --> 01:29:22,260
because that's kind of the Baseline you

2531
01:29:24,890 --> 01:29:23,400
know you got to call it something you

2532
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,900
gotta call it something right and so

2533
01:29:28,729 --> 01:29:26,940
it's a baseline go-to to be able to say

2534
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,739
oh just call it a drone you know and and

2535
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:31,199
and move on it responds to our reports

2536
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,420
we've seen some other fairly lazy media

2537
01:29:37,610 --> 01:29:35,280
reports that come out and say well look

2538
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,620
here's the documents they call them uavs

2539
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:39,360
they're drones you know

2540
01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:40,560
it's because you got to call them

2541
01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:41,460
something you got to call them something

2542
01:29:46,189 --> 01:29:43,860
yeah so it doesn't just because they're

2543
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,199
calling it that does not mean that

2544
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:48,480
that's what they were so I've spoken to

2545
01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:50,639
one of the individuals whose job it was

2546
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:52,920
to create the designation that we're

2547
01:29:58,490 --> 01:29:55,800
seeing here today which is uas unmanned

2548
01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:58,500
aerial system and I asked I said how do

2549
01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:00,900
you feel about that designation that you

2550
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:04,920
made and this individual said to me that

2551
01:30:10,610 --> 01:30:07,980
was my only choice that we need to call

2552
01:30:13,070 --> 01:30:10,620
them something and I was told by my

2553
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,080
command to find what is the current

2554
01:30:17,330 --> 01:30:15,360
description of an you know of what we're

2555
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,340
calling an unmanned Aero system I said

2556
01:30:21,370 --> 01:30:19,199
are you are you significantly happy that

2557
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:21,380
as a good determination for what you saw

2558
01:30:25,550 --> 01:30:24,120
absolutely not you know so it's just

2559
01:30:26,750 --> 01:30:25,560
yeah you got to call them it's a default

2560
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:26,760
you got to call it something you can't

2561
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:29,159
write blank you can't write you know UFO

2562
01:30:32,570 --> 01:30:30,540
you got to call it something right maybe

2563
01:30:34,850 --> 01:30:32,580
maybe this let's start calling them uaps

2564
01:30:37,370 --> 01:30:34,860
now I don't know but it you know so I

2565
01:30:39,709 --> 01:30:37,380
just wanted to go into why these terms

2566
01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:39,719
become caught on to propagate when maybe

2567
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:42,840
they shouldn't uh okay so now the next

2568
01:30:49,490 --> 01:30:46,800
one that I want to go to is

2569
01:30:52,250 --> 01:30:49,500
uh you know I'm very curious in this

2570
01:30:54,649 --> 01:30:52,260
conversation about is this is this what

2571
01:30:56,090 --> 01:30:54,659
you'd consider a conventional propulsion

2572
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:56,100
system right so let's see what they have

2573
01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:57,300
to say

2574
01:31:02,270 --> 01:30:58,920
can you tell me a little bit why this

2575
01:31:03,709 --> 01:31:02,280
doesn't fit with a conventional drone we

2576
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:03,719
were always trying to listen and we

2577
01:31:07,970 --> 01:31:06,300
couldn't really hear anything which is

2578
01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:07,980
also different from what we've

2579
01:31:13,370 --> 01:31:09,960
experienced with drones that are

2580
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,380
in close as these appeared to be you

2581
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:15,840
would hear something a lot of times like

2582
01:31:21,290 --> 01:31:19,320
you would hear rotors whirling of blades

2583
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:21,300
something like that conventional

2584
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:22,560
propulsion

2585
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:24,600
uh correct for for like more of a

2586
01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:26,639
conventional drone a national drone

2587
01:31:30,830 --> 01:31:28,440
would still have like a low hum of an

2588
01:31:32,990 --> 01:31:30,840
aircraft flying which you would hear and

2589
01:31:34,010 --> 01:31:33,000
you don't recall hearing that from these

2590
01:31:36,890 --> 01:31:34,020
no

2591
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:36,900
what else in general just doesn't add up

2592
01:31:41,570 --> 01:31:39,360
with the conventional drone idea

2593
01:31:43,610 --> 01:31:41,580
just in general we were

2594
01:31:46,010 --> 01:31:43,620
a good amount off of land and I'm not

2595
01:31:48,770 --> 01:31:46,020
sure if I can disclose exactly how far

2596
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:48,780
we the way we were but it was not

2597
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:51,420
a range that a conventional drone should

2598
01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:53,460
ever be able to Traverse especially for

2599
01:31:57,530 --> 01:31:55,020
the amount of time that we were seeing

2600
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,540
these nothing we know of can stay out

2601
01:32:01,970 --> 01:31:59,280
here for that long the amount of time

2602
01:32:04,669 --> 01:32:01,980
that we were seeing them was

2603
01:32:06,169 --> 01:32:04,679
well beyond I mean if they flew out

2604
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:06,179
there they would probably need to fly

2605
01:32:10,490 --> 01:32:07,980
back so I know that it wasn't a civilian

2606
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:10,500
it absolutely wasn't civilian because

2607
01:32:15,649 --> 01:32:13,080
there's nothing available or even that

2608
01:32:17,689 --> 01:32:15,659
you could modify to do what we saw

2609
01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:17,699
so he's having problems with just like

2610
01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:19,980
the Drone classification Because by the

2611
01:32:23,629 --> 01:32:21,960
proximity to this individual and the

2612
01:32:25,129 --> 01:32:23,639
people that he was with and they've had

2613
01:32:27,709 --> 01:32:25,139
a lot of these experiences as you've

2614
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:27,719
heard they didn't have the typical sound

2615
01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:29,100
that you would hear from any of these

2616
01:32:32,330 --> 01:32:30,540
and that's one aspect and then he's

2617
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:32,340
talking about durational flight yeah

2618
01:32:35,450 --> 01:32:34,020
right yeah it's it's a big deal you know

2619
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:35,460
even on the even on the deck of a ship

2620
01:32:38,689 --> 01:32:36,780
you know even you've got the wind noise

2621
01:32:40,250 --> 01:32:38,699
and the waves crashing against the hole

2622
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:40,260
and all this and that you can still hear

2623
01:32:43,010 --> 01:32:41,520
it from personal experience I can tell

2624
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:43,020
you you can still hear the worrying of

2625
01:32:47,870 --> 01:32:45,600
of blades or you know uh like he talked

2626
01:32:49,550 --> 01:32:47,880
about the hum of a drone you can still

2627
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,560
hear that cut through the den of all the

2628
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:50,880
other noise

2629
01:32:54,110 --> 01:32:52,860
um that's one aspect that's important to

2630
01:32:56,810 --> 01:32:54,120
keep in mind they didn't hear any of

2631
01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:56,820
that okay and something that's not

2632
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:58,920
mentioned in that clip that that I know

2633
01:33:04,970 --> 01:33:01,679
uh guys that I've talked to have said I

2634
01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:04,980
mean these things got so close to uh the

2635
01:33:09,470 --> 01:33:06,600
deck of the ship or to the ship's

2636
01:33:10,970 --> 01:33:09,480
superstructure I could have taken a

2637
01:33:12,890 --> 01:33:10,980
softball and chucked it at it and hit it

2638
01:33:15,050 --> 01:33:12,900
so that's close okay if something was

2639
01:33:17,209 --> 01:33:15,060
that close you would hear it number one

2640
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:17,219
number two just the distance the sheer

2641
01:33:22,810 --> 01:33:20,639
distance uh that these things were uh

2642
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:22,820
being observed out at Sea you know again

2643
01:33:28,189 --> 01:33:25,920
uh hell let's call it even 30 miles you

2644
01:33:29,689 --> 01:33:28,199
know if a ship is out to sea at 30 miles

2645
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:29,699
that means this thing at a minimum had

2646
01:33:33,530 --> 01:33:32,400
to have flown 60 miles to get there and

2647
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:33,540
back to wherever it was coming from

2648
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:35,040
right

2649
01:33:37,370 --> 01:33:36,480
um because like we talked about before I

2650
01:33:38,570 --> 01:33:37,380
think like we've established pretty

2651
01:33:40,189 --> 01:33:38,580
clearly it was not coming from the bass

2652
01:33:42,590 --> 01:33:40,199
straight yeah well we're about we're

2653
01:33:46,129 --> 01:33:42,600
about to establish more about perfect

2654
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:46,139
um but again the noiseless and the the

2655
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:48,239
distances that we were seeing them or

2656
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:50,400
that they were seeing them uh uh you

2657
01:33:55,010 --> 01:33:52,080
know encountering them out at Sea so we

2658
01:33:58,189 --> 01:33:55,020
have noiseless we have instantaneous

2659
01:34:01,070 --> 01:33:58,199
motion we have the idea that they can

2660
01:34:03,229 --> 01:34:01,080
somehow become trans medium all of these

2661
01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:03,239
things are are adding up to like I'm not

2662
01:34:07,129 --> 01:34:05,400
that they're not trackable too they

2663
01:34:09,649 --> 01:34:07,139
appear they disappear they didn't track

2664
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,659
them to see where they went or where

2665
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:11,760
they where they came from right right

2666
01:34:16,129 --> 01:34:14,159
okay so I'm starting not to believe bad

2667
01:34:18,830 --> 01:34:16,139
magazines like the new York Post right

2668
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:18,840
I'm starting to starting to find that um

2669
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,000
we the case is not solved yet let's

2670
01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:23,760
let's continue so the next one I want to

2671
01:34:31,970 --> 01:34:28,440
to play that I'm glad we have is so this

2672
01:34:33,649 --> 01:34:31,980
is cool another aspect that that didn't

2673
01:34:36,590 --> 01:34:33,659
kind of add up for me because you know

2674
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:36,600
everything takes power out there uh wow

2675
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:38,460
I've started to hear this a bunch

2676
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:42,239
because this this individual was uh

2677
01:34:47,149 --> 01:34:44,880
witness to what was a spotlight so let's

2678
01:34:50,510 --> 01:34:47,159
listen to what they have and can explain

2679
01:34:54,530 --> 01:34:52,610
tell me about the spotlight I've got a

2680
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:54,540
lot of reports about this that were

2681
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:57,120
happening at that time at one point one

2682
01:35:01,129 --> 01:34:59,040
of them shined a spotlight on us and

2683
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:01,139
just generally knowing the strength of

2684
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:02,880
the spotlights I don't think it could

2685
01:35:07,070 --> 01:35:04,620
have reached more than I don't even know

2686
01:35:09,709 --> 01:35:07,080
like mile which is very close for

2687
01:35:11,330 --> 01:35:09,719
something like that to be with the with

2688
01:35:14,090 --> 01:35:11,340
the amount of Illumination that we saw

2689
01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:14,100
it did seem like they were close it must

2690
01:35:17,870 --> 01:35:16,139
have been within that range the

2691
01:35:18,770 --> 01:35:17,880
spotlight do you remember what color it

2692
01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:18,780
was

2693
01:35:22,490 --> 01:35:20,340
White

2694
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,500
did the brightness or the strength of

2695
01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:24,960
the spotlight surprise you at all

2696
01:35:31,370 --> 01:35:28,260
it did yeah and why is that

2697
01:35:33,530 --> 01:35:31,380
that was just it was very bright and was

2698
01:35:35,689 --> 01:35:33,540
completely unexpected and this this was

2699
01:35:37,570 --> 01:35:35,699
maybe the third night that we had been

2700
01:35:39,770 --> 01:35:37,580
seeing these aircraft whatever they were

2701
01:35:41,209 --> 01:35:39,780
and that was not something we had

2702
01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:41,219
previously experienced

2703
01:35:45,950 --> 01:35:43,620
was this an intermittent thing did it

2704
01:35:48,350 --> 01:35:45,960
strobe was it steady about for how long

2705
01:35:49,970 --> 01:35:48,360
it was probably a two second

2706
01:35:52,970 --> 01:35:49,980
illumination

2707
01:35:54,649 --> 01:35:52,980
it was pretty bright because on the The

2708
01:35:56,570 --> 01:35:54,659
Bridge of a ship we keep it completely

2709
01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:56,580
dark so we can see any light anything

2710
01:36:01,310 --> 01:35:58,139
possible at night

2711
01:36:03,709 --> 01:36:01,320
it went from Pitch Black to very

2712
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:03,719
illuminated very quickly interesting

2713
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,600
yeah so that was that was a bit jarring

2714
01:36:10,850 --> 01:36:08,880
shocking I'm not sure if that

2715
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,860
it should have been longer if that if

2716
01:36:15,169 --> 01:36:12,719
that's been reported elsewhere but that

2717
01:36:16,129 --> 01:36:15,179
definitely happened at least once on my

2718
01:36:19,370 --> 01:36:16,139
watch

2719
01:36:22,010 --> 01:36:19,380
and uh was something we saw

2720
01:36:25,370 --> 01:36:22,020
so some of these uh swarms they some of

2721
01:36:27,890 --> 01:36:25,380
the these um individual objects would

2722
01:36:29,689 --> 01:36:27,900
just light up the [\h__\h] like [\h__\h] like a

2723
01:36:31,610 --> 01:36:29,699
spotlight and that's something that we

2724
01:36:34,129 --> 01:36:31,620
continue to hear why does that stand out

2725
01:36:35,149 --> 01:36:34,139
to you well so look at

2726
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,159
um

2727
01:36:40,370 --> 01:36:38,159
sure conventional typical you know

2728
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:40,380
commercial off-the-shelf drones I'm sure

2729
01:36:43,970 --> 01:36:41,760
they've got the capability to have

2730
01:36:45,290 --> 01:36:43,980
lights on them or whatever okay but you

2731
01:36:48,590 --> 01:36:45,300
got to think of it in the context of

2732
01:36:51,110 --> 01:36:48,600
this of this uh this description

2733
01:36:53,770 --> 01:36:51,120
a spotlight that he says you know it's

2734
01:36:56,689 --> 01:36:53,780
pitch black outside and all of a sudden

2735
01:36:57,890 --> 01:36:56,699
and and when I you know

2736
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:57,900
um in speaking to some of these guys

2737
01:37:01,370 --> 01:36:59,639
myself you know you hear them talk about

2738
01:37:03,770 --> 01:37:01,380
it and it's like I mean dude he has his

2739
01:37:06,169 --> 01:37:03,780
Brad's day he was so surprised by how

2740
01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:06,179
surprised at how bright it was okay and

2741
01:37:09,050 --> 01:37:07,380
then you talk about the duration you

2742
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:09,060
know because at least two seconds and

2743
01:37:12,410 --> 01:37:11,040
not you know again who's someone who's

2744
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:12,420
maybe not familiar they go oh well

2745
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,100
sounds like a flash right like the flash

2746
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,080
of a camera or something well no flash

2747
01:37:19,790 --> 01:37:17,520
of a camera is I mean almost

2748
01:37:21,770 --> 01:37:19,800
instantaneous right uh shuttering on and

2749
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:21,780
off you know a two second illumination

2750
01:37:26,450 --> 01:37:24,120
for that large of a light Illuminating

2751
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:26,460
that size of ship as bright as they said

2752
01:37:31,610 --> 01:37:27,840
it was

2753
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:31,620
um that's just so not typical of

2754
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,260
something that um we would encounter

2755
01:37:37,970 --> 01:37:36,480
regardless of drones in the area I mean

2756
01:37:39,110 --> 01:37:37,980
for your ship to be illuminated like

2757
01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:39,120
that

2758
01:37:42,890 --> 01:37:41,100
um I don't know a flare of some sort

2759
01:37:45,530 --> 01:37:42,900
would have to be used but even that's

2760
01:37:46,910 --> 01:37:45,540
like you know a typical yeah we keep

2761
01:37:49,129 --> 01:37:46,920
hearing this it's like people will hold

2762
01:37:51,169 --> 01:37:49,139
their hands out in front of their face

2763
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:51,179
and not be able to see their hands it's

2764
01:37:55,970 --> 01:37:53,280
so bright so whatever this is has high

2765
01:37:58,669 --> 01:37:55,980
power and it's not being it's not being

2766
01:38:00,110 --> 01:37:58,679
um it's Brazen yeah it's Brazen and the

2767
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,120
other thing is you gotta remember it

2768
01:38:06,290 --> 01:38:03,360
takes energy to to uh to to be able to

2769
01:38:08,330 --> 01:38:06,300
produce that strength of light right so

2770
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:08,340
now we're talking about now we're

2771
01:38:13,790 --> 01:38:10,440
talking about a drone that can fly tens

2772
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:13,800
of miles out to sea uh on its own stay

2773
01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:16,560
on duration for hours at a time uh it's

2774
01:38:22,729 --> 01:38:19,320
noiseless okay it's performing Maneuvers

2775
01:38:25,250 --> 01:38:22,739
that um that are just uh you know uh

2776
01:38:26,810 --> 01:38:25,260
almost unbelievable and now it's got a

2777
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:26,820
spotlight so it's got even more energy

2778
01:38:30,890 --> 01:38:28,980
now to be able to produce a spotlight

2779
01:38:33,169 --> 01:38:30,900
for you know for for two three seconds

2780
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:33,179
to illuminate an entire Navy warship

2781
01:38:39,649 --> 01:38:37,199
like that it just um it

2782
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,659
it's really not adding up to what people

2783
01:38:43,790 --> 01:38:41,760
would think it would be incredibly

2784
01:38:46,910 --> 01:38:43,800
disconcerting that these are unknown

2785
01:38:48,770 --> 01:38:46,920
craft small yeah maneuverable yeah come

2786
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:48,780
in and out of the water and then it it's

2787
01:38:52,490 --> 01:38:50,520
messing with you it lights up the whole

2788
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,500
Bridge of the ship right that's scary

2789
01:38:57,470 --> 01:38:54,000
but you've heard other incidents like

2790
01:38:59,209 --> 01:38:57,480
this oh no yeah and and um you know

2791
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:59,219
there it's not it's not the first time

2792
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:02,219
that a uh an object has illuminated a

2793
01:39:07,370 --> 01:39:05,520
Navy in fact yeah another deployment uh

2794
01:39:09,950 --> 01:39:07,380
somewhere somewhere in the world uh this

2795
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:09,960
time on a much bigger ship uh on an lhd

2796
01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:11,760
which for someone who doesn't know it's

2797
01:39:14,810 --> 01:39:13,620
kind of like a uh when you look at it

2798
01:39:16,669 --> 01:39:14,820
looks like an aircraft carrier but it's

2799
01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:16,679
not as big

2800
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,600
um but it's a kind of a mini aircraft

2801
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:20,639
carrier big big ship though okay

2802
01:39:23,930 --> 01:39:22,380
and uh

2803
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:23,940
uh no some you know Sailors that I've

2804
01:39:28,669 --> 01:39:26,040
spoken to uh personally they talk about

2805
01:39:31,850 --> 01:39:28,679
being out on deployment middle of the

2806
01:39:33,229 --> 01:39:31,860
night they're standing uh Bridge watch

2807
01:39:35,629 --> 01:39:33,239
um and all of a sudden you know on the

2808
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:35,639
horizon they see a a light kind of

2809
01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:36,719
flicker on all of a sudden start

2810
01:39:39,410 --> 01:39:38,760
tracking towards a ship

2811
01:39:41,209 --> 01:39:39,420
um

2812
01:39:43,370 --> 01:39:41,219
and then as soon as they lose sight of

2813
01:39:44,930 --> 01:39:43,380
the object uh over the ship right

2814
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:44,940
presumably directly ahead of the ship

2815
01:39:49,490 --> 01:39:47,340
all of a sudden it casts this light that

2816
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,500
again is like Jeremy mentioned is so

2817
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:51,600
bright and so blinding that they're

2818
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:54,000
disoriented within the bridge of the

2819
01:39:57,229 --> 01:39:55,440
ship because again it's at night it's

2820
01:39:59,330 --> 01:39:57,239
pitch black outside we keep the we keep

2821
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:59,340
the uh the ship Bridge dark at night on

2822
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:00,480
purpose to preserve your night vision

2823
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,080
right and then a huge Spotlight that

2824
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,760
just illuminates everything as if it

2825
01:40:10,010 --> 01:40:08,400
were daytime and this particular case it

2826
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,020
wasn't two seconds it was enough time

2827
01:40:13,729 --> 01:40:12,000
for the Sailor to you know they talk

2828
01:40:15,169 --> 01:40:13,739
about being so disoriented that they're

2829
01:40:16,729 --> 01:40:15,179
kind of putting their hands up that's

2830
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:16,739
what she talks about she goes my hands

2831
01:40:22,129 --> 01:40:18,300
were in front of my face I couldn't see

2832
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:22,139
it was so bright I couldn't see my own

2833
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,400
hands in front of my own face and they

2834
01:40:26,209 --> 01:40:24,719
talk about being so disoriented they're

2835
01:40:27,530 --> 01:40:26,219
kind of like getting their bearings and

2836
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:27,540
putting their hands up on the consoles

2837
01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:29,820
to kind of brace themselves you know

2838
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:32,460
um uh in the bridge of the ship and then

2839
01:40:37,310 --> 01:40:35,520
boom it shuts off like that you know so

2840
01:40:40,669 --> 01:40:37,320
and the object see that the other thing

2841
01:40:43,070 --> 01:40:40,679
this individual the object came in and

2842
01:40:46,189 --> 01:40:43,080
she was so great about it she's like it

2843
01:40:47,629 --> 01:40:46,199
it left at a different speed in which it

2844
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:47,639
came in because what happened was it

2845
01:40:51,649 --> 01:40:48,600
came

2846
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:51,659
Harvard shot the light and then zoomed

2847
01:40:54,290 --> 01:40:53,100
gone you know it's just interesting

2848
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:54,300
again it just speaks to the

2849
01:40:58,010 --> 01:40:56,580
unconventional nature of this encounter

2850
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:58,020
and others you know that we've had

2851
01:41:01,129 --> 01:40:59,460
hopefully I'll get one of those next

2852
01:41:03,470 --> 01:41:01,139
Christmas Jeremy I can get one of those

2853
01:41:06,290 --> 01:41:03,480
drones these are super duper girls it's

2854
01:41:08,330 --> 01:41:06,300
so hilarious that people keep uh trying

2855
01:41:10,610 --> 01:41:08,340
to dismiss it that way and remember you

2856
01:41:12,830 --> 01:41:10,620
said small a second ago remember we know

2857
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:12,840
the size I mean these were these were

2858
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:16,800
significant physical objects ten to I'd

2859
01:41:21,290 --> 01:41:19,260
say 10 to 14 is the best estimate from

2860
01:41:22,669 --> 01:41:21,300
each person with the data it might even

2861
01:41:25,490 --> 01:41:22,679
we might even know a little bit more

2862
01:41:26,990 --> 01:41:25,500
about the Russell soon so no matter what

2863
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:27,000
the shape or what these vehicles were

2864
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:28,860
they were substantial but we really got

2865
01:41:34,669 --> 01:41:31,440
into we really got to get into right now

2866
01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:34,679
what people are saying is that this ship

2867
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:38,340
called the Bass Strait launched you know

2868
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,540
the these uh objects these units okay

2869
01:41:47,629 --> 01:41:45,360
and that's been now propagated and it is

2870
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,639
100 false and I want to hear from

2871
01:41:51,890 --> 01:41:49,679
somebody who has direct knowledge of

2872
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:51,900
this and that's why this is uh the next

2873
01:41:56,750 --> 01:41:54,000
little little bit of audio one of the

2874
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:56,760
duties of this person was to monitor the

2875
01:42:00,770 --> 01:41:59,040
bastrate in real time

2876
01:42:02,510 --> 01:42:00,780
and let's see what this person has to

2877
01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:02,520
say

2878
01:42:07,729 --> 01:42:04,860
I want to talk about origin there's been

2879
01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:07,739
a lot of talk that these objects if if

2880
01:42:12,169 --> 01:42:09,780
not launched through land that they were

2881
01:42:13,850 --> 01:42:12,179
launched from a merchant vessel so the

2882
01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:13,860
Bass Strait is a lot of people are

2883
01:42:17,810 --> 01:42:15,719
trying to pin this on the bass straight

2884
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:17,820
can you tell me a little bit about that

2885
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:19,980
about origin and what you know about the

2886
01:42:27,050 --> 01:42:23,280
Bass Strait this was the closest that we

2887
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,060
ever came to on our ship figuring a

2888
01:42:31,550 --> 01:42:30,239
possible origin outside of coming from

2889
01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:31,560
Land somehow

2890
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,780
like you said traversing those 30 to 50

2891
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:35,760
miles that we were

2892
01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:38,580
um from nearest Islands so

2893
01:42:44,270 --> 01:42:41,940
at one point we did see

2894
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:44,280
what looked like multiple air contacts

2895
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,340
around a merchant ship that was

2896
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:49,199
operating in our vicinity of our strike

2897
01:42:54,890 --> 01:42:52,560
group and it was a foreign flag merchant

2898
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:54,900
ship and we reached out to them they

2899
01:42:59,629 --> 01:42:57,840
denied they weren't a vessel of interest

2900
01:43:03,229 --> 01:42:59,639
that we had been worried about or

2901
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,239
anything but I think it was like five to

2902
01:43:08,750 --> 01:43:06,000
ten of the aircraft circling around it

2903
01:43:10,850 --> 01:43:08,760
and we never saw it actually land on

2904
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:10,860
this vessel

2905
01:43:15,050 --> 01:43:13,320
was it your impression that the contacts

2906
01:43:17,330 --> 01:43:15,060
did not belong to the merchant vessel

2907
01:43:19,370 --> 01:43:17,340
and can you verify that you asked the

2908
01:43:21,290 --> 01:43:19,380
merchant vessel and they denied that

2909
01:43:23,149 --> 01:43:21,300
they were theirs

2910
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,159
yeah I could verify the latter for sure

2911
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:25,199
and that was also why I sort of skirted

2912
01:43:29,149 --> 01:43:27,540
around saying many details about that

2913
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:29,159
Merchant vessel because I wasn't I'm not

2914
01:43:33,770 --> 01:43:30,960
sure where the investigation went

2915
01:43:36,050 --> 01:43:33,780
afterwards I sort of helped compose the

2916
01:43:38,330 --> 01:43:36,060
message that we sent off because I'd

2917
01:43:40,010 --> 01:43:38,340
seen it and like I said we didn't see

2918
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:40,020
them land on it and that was what we

2919
01:43:42,830 --> 01:43:41,340
really wanted to see like we really

2920
01:43:44,930 --> 01:43:42,840
wanted to see either a launch or a

2921
01:43:47,390 --> 01:43:44,940
landing we didn't know if possibly this

2922
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,400
Festival had a foreign nation's

2923
01:43:52,010 --> 01:43:49,440
intelligence Detachment on board or

2924
01:43:54,770 --> 01:43:52,020
something like that doing this they did

2925
01:43:57,890 --> 01:43:54,780
deny they were the source and they also

2926
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:57,900
never landed or launched them so right

2927
01:44:01,129 --> 01:43:59,520
really wanted to see that because we

2928
01:44:03,229 --> 01:44:01,139
just wanted an answer because we were we

2929
01:44:04,910 --> 01:44:03,239
were tired of it it was not launching

2930
01:44:06,830 --> 01:44:04,920
was not receiving the drones as much as

2931
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:06,840
we wanted it to like we we were like

2932
01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:08,760
this is the source this has to be it we

2933
01:44:12,770 --> 01:44:10,920
finally figured it out and it seemed

2934
01:44:14,570 --> 01:44:12,780
like it probably wasn't just based on

2935
01:44:16,189 --> 01:44:14,580
the fact that we never saw them land or

2936
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:16,199
take off

2937
01:44:20,570 --> 01:44:18,719
why is this important you know and again

2938
01:44:22,370 --> 01:44:20,580
this kind of goes back to the you know

2939
01:44:24,169 --> 01:44:22,380
the Warfighter and all of us you know

2940
01:44:26,689 --> 01:44:24,179
like you've talked about before you know

2941
01:44:28,669 --> 01:44:26,699
you've spoken to folks who you know

2942
01:44:29,810 --> 01:44:28,679
they're not happy with how this unfolded

2943
01:44:31,310 --> 01:44:29,820
you know

2944
01:44:33,290 --> 01:44:31,320
um we're out there we're trying to do

2945
01:44:34,430 --> 01:44:33,300
our job and yet we're getting peppered

2946
01:44:36,050 --> 01:44:34,440
you know almost like we're in the boxing

2947
01:44:37,490 --> 01:44:36,060
and getting jab getting jabbed getting

2948
01:44:40,129 --> 01:44:37,500
jabbed and jam we can't we can't punch

2949
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:40,139
back and so finally like you hear and

2950
01:44:44,570 --> 01:44:42,960
it's you know I I I can commiserate with

2951
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,580
that feeling of almost uh not

2952
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:46,560
helplessness but just frustration that

2953
01:44:52,430 --> 01:44:49,440
you that you've got a job to do uh you

2954
01:44:54,649 --> 01:44:52,440
know we're all uh trained warfighters to

2955
01:44:57,950 --> 01:44:54,659
uh you know defend the country but each

2956
01:44:59,390 --> 01:44:57,960
other and our ship right and um and

2957
01:45:02,750 --> 01:44:59,400
we're getting harassed by these damn

2958
01:45:04,850 --> 01:45:02,760
things and finally we see okay aha

2959
01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:04,860
there's the culprit right there you know

2960
01:45:08,450 --> 01:45:06,540
and we're gonna you know we're gonna

2961
01:45:09,649 --> 01:45:08,460
queer the hell out of them and and tell

2962
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,659
them to knock it off or whatever the

2963
01:45:12,350 --> 01:45:10,800
case is right

2964
01:45:14,510 --> 01:45:12,360
and what do you hear the you know what

2965
01:45:16,970 --> 01:45:14,520
do you hear that guy say he goes so we

2966
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,980
finally see them there and we wanted it

2967
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:19,679
so bad for it to be the the source of

2968
01:45:24,290 --> 01:45:21,540
our of our frustrations over these past

2969
01:45:26,450 --> 01:45:24,300
few nights and not once did they see

2970
01:45:28,370 --> 01:45:26,460
anything either land or take off from

2971
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:28,380
you know from from this Merchant vessel

2972
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:30,000
so

2973
01:45:34,189 --> 01:45:33,119
um it just speaks to the you know I can

2974
01:45:41,689 --> 01:45:34,199
I

2975
01:45:44,270 --> 01:45:41,699
Express you wanted an answer you know he

2976
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,280
wanted an answer and uh and it's almost

2977
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,800
like you know you you you're you're

2978
01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:48,480
harassed by these things for so many

2979
01:45:51,709 --> 01:45:50,040
nights in a row and finally you think

2980
01:45:53,570 --> 01:45:51,719
you've got that answer and then the

2981
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,580
carpets pulled from from underneath you

2982
01:45:57,530 --> 01:45:55,440
you know and it's not so the big thing

2983
01:45:59,629 --> 01:45:57,540
for me is that people can just make up

2984
01:46:01,970 --> 01:45:59,639
any [\h__\h] they want and they can publish

2985
01:46:03,890 --> 01:46:01,980
it and it starts to be trickled down as

2986
01:46:06,530 --> 01:46:03,900
truth through tabloids all the way to

2987
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:06,540
Wikipedia and it's it's [\h__\h] and and

2988
01:46:10,669 --> 01:46:08,880
it's direct [\h__\h] and knowing that is

2989
01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:10,679
one thing you and I will know certain

2990
01:46:15,649 --> 01:46:13,020
things but getting somebody who's there

2991
01:46:17,209 --> 01:46:15,659
whose job it was to to watch the bass

2992
01:46:19,609 --> 01:46:17,219
straight and make sure it was not the

2993
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:19,619
source of these now we finally have that

2994
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:23,040
person on record verified that was his

2995
01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:26,880
duty and he sadly can't report to us

2996
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:29,400
that this was some sort of adversarial

2997
01:46:33,050 --> 01:46:31,020
drone being launched off this ship which

2998
01:46:35,689 --> 01:46:33,060
of course it wasn't with over 100 and

2999
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:35,699
100 mile radius this right that never

3000
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,400
made sense this excuse the case close

3001
01:46:42,350 --> 01:46:40,800
never made sense but to get it through

3002
01:46:44,570 --> 01:46:42,360
you have to hear from people directly

3003
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:44,580
there we also know that there was

3004
01:46:48,590 --> 01:46:46,320
further investigation that the best rate

3005
01:46:50,570 --> 01:46:48,600
was in Port when this was still going on

3006
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,580
that it was not responsible for

3007
01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:52,080
launching what was buzzing around these

3008
01:46:56,450 --> 01:46:54,420
ships so you and I have already reported

3009
01:46:59,390 --> 01:46:56,460
on that numerous times and now let's

3010
01:47:01,310 --> 01:46:59,400
just give it one more go which is that

3011
01:47:03,770 --> 01:47:01,320
we have direct information and knowledge

3012
01:47:06,169 --> 01:47:03,780
of who and how the bass rate was

3013
01:47:08,450 --> 01:47:06,179
investigated after the day of events and

3014
01:47:11,149 --> 01:47:08,460
they were determined not to be the place

3015
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:11,159
of origin Landing or launch of these

3016
01:47:16,609 --> 01:47:13,199
hundred plus units in the 100 mile

3017
01:47:18,109 --> 01:47:16,619
radius so guess what case open and now

3018
01:47:20,030 --> 01:47:18,119
we have to kind of think a little bit

3019
01:47:21,770 --> 01:47:20,040
further but just to kind of show that

3020
01:47:23,870 --> 01:47:21,780
this individual

3021
01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:23,880
can talk to us about it I just want to

3022
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,940
play one last little quote

3023
01:47:31,129 --> 01:47:28,800
did anybody ever say to you don't talk

3024
01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:31,139
about this this is a black project where

3025
01:47:34,729 --> 01:47:33,239
we're testing our own technology

3026
01:47:37,010 --> 01:47:34,739
we don't want people to know about it

3027
01:47:40,490 --> 01:47:37,020
don't talk about it no I've never been

3028
01:47:41,689 --> 01:47:40,500
spoken to really about the event until

3029
01:47:44,030 --> 01:47:41,699
now

3030
01:47:45,470 --> 01:47:44,040
no one ever had you signed an NDA or a

3031
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:45,480
page 13

3032
01:47:50,090 --> 01:47:47,280
no one ever gave you a verbal order

3033
01:47:51,950 --> 01:47:50,100
direct or indirect or otherwise that you

3034
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:51,960
can't talk about it is that correct

3035
01:47:56,750 --> 01:47:54,480
correct

3036
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:56,760
so just that why are we doing that just

3037
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:58,080
to make sure everybody understands this

3038
01:48:02,930 --> 01:48:00,000
is not like some off the Record kind of

3039
01:48:05,330 --> 01:48:02,940
like you know he can talk to me this is

3040
01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:05,340
absolutely fine but it's so much cleared

3041
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,840
out I'm really grateful that some people

3042
01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:08,400
are letting us you know share this with

3043
01:48:14,090 --> 01:48:11,340
the public and whatnot so George and

3044
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,100
guts is this case closed have we figured

3045
01:48:19,370 --> 01:48:16,560
this out no in my opinion absolutely not

3046
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:19,380
right right no we don't know all the

3047
01:48:23,570 --> 01:48:21,900
central questions whose they were who

3048
01:48:26,270 --> 01:48:23,580
was operating them where they came from

3049
01:48:28,430 --> 01:48:26,280
where they went to what what their total

3050
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:28,440
capabilities are these are not any kind

3051
01:48:34,609 --> 01:48:31,920
of drones or aavs or uas's that we are

3052
01:48:36,410 --> 01:48:34,619
aware of that our military is aware of

3053
01:48:38,450 --> 01:48:36,420
um so all the big questions about them

3054
01:48:40,490 --> 01:48:38,460
are still unanswered they are it is not

3055
01:48:43,250 --> 01:48:40,500
a case close it is not a case explained

3056
01:48:46,970 --> 01:48:43,260
it's a it's an ongoing mystery so the

3057
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:46,980
great UFO swarms of 2019 still need to

3058
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,440
be investigated we do not have no

3059
01:48:53,570 --> 01:48:51,360
answers have really you've been given in

3060
01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:53,580
a way now the thing that really takes it

3061
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:55,860
elevates it for me is the performance

3062
01:48:59,870 --> 01:48:57,840
when you talk with the people that were

3063
01:49:01,310 --> 01:48:59,880
there you know regardless of shape we'll

3064
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,320
get down to the nitty-gritty of that

3065
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:02,880
maybe when there's more information that

3066
01:49:08,270 --> 01:49:05,760
comes out although the idea of it is

3067
01:49:11,930 --> 01:49:08,280
that these had performance capability

3068
01:49:15,290 --> 01:49:11,940
that I hope I wish that we had as a

3069
01:49:17,330 --> 01:49:15,300
country but this is not a performance

3070
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:17,340
capability that anybody has ever seen

3071
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:19,440
for and this is what really makes it

3072
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:23,520
interesting to me a mystery 2019 was a

3073
01:49:26,750 --> 01:49:25,199
big year for a variety of reasons we

3074
01:49:28,729 --> 01:49:26,760
haven't even talked about what started

3075
01:49:31,850 --> 01:49:28,739
us down this road is that on the East

3076
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:31,860
Coast so Oceana this gigantic Naval Air

3077
01:49:37,370 --> 01:49:35,040
Station I reported in 2018 I'd been

3078
01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:37,380
hearing from Naval aviators and sources

3079
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:39,900
that they were flying out of Oceana into

3080
01:49:44,689 --> 01:49:42,239
the w72 which is the training area in

3081
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:44,699
the ocean and every single day they were

3082
01:49:49,609 --> 01:49:47,040
seeing these unknowns and it was a

3083
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:49,619
legitimate security issue Aviation

3084
01:49:54,530 --> 01:49:51,119
safety issue because they're flying

3085
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:54,540
along and there they are and the Navy

3086
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,760
the UAP task force what became the UAV

3087
01:50:01,070 --> 01:49:58,800
task force is trying to encourage these

3088
01:50:04,010 --> 01:50:01,080
aviators to go ahead and report it and I

3089
01:50:05,689 --> 01:50:04,020
know when I said it in 2018 I don't

3090
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:05,699
think anybody believed me that they're

3091
01:50:09,410 --> 01:50:07,440
seeing them every day but it was true

3092
01:50:11,149 --> 01:50:09,420
and it came out later right exactly too

3093
01:50:13,970 --> 01:50:11,159
much but then you turned out to be

3094
01:50:16,189 --> 01:50:13,980
correctly reporting yeah so in 2019 at

3095
01:50:18,490 --> 01:50:16,199
the urging of some Navy officials who

3096
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:18,500
are working on the UFO investigation UAP

3097
01:50:23,209 --> 01:50:21,600
investigation some aviators finally went

3098
01:50:25,070 --> 01:50:23,219
along with the program and took some

3099
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:25,080
pictures they had a cell phone and they

3100
01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:26,639
took some pictures and in one flight

3101
01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:29,940
this one crew captured images of three

3102
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:32,820
different uh objects and they don't look

3103
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:35,280
like the Starship Enterprise and they're

3104
01:50:39,890 --> 01:50:37,800
they're odd looking one of them they

3105
01:50:41,930 --> 01:50:39,900
they maybe called it the acorn other

3106
01:50:43,850 --> 01:50:41,940
people after I put the image out they

3107
01:50:45,890 --> 01:50:43,860
tried to call it a Batman balloon was

3108
01:50:47,689 --> 01:50:45,900
not a balloon it was not a balloon and

3109
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:47,699
they called it The Acorn then there was

3110
01:50:51,229 --> 01:50:49,679
one that just looked like a sphere and

3111
01:50:55,010 --> 01:50:51,239
then the third one that was labeled

3112
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:55,020
metallic blimp with payload yeah and and

3113
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:57,119
again they they didn't have amazing

3114
01:51:00,890 --> 01:50:59,040
characteristics like the ones on the

3115
01:51:02,810 --> 01:51:00,900
west coast but they would sit there for

3116
01:51:04,609 --> 01:51:02,820
days at a time right off the coast

3117
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:04,619
obviously doing some kind of

3118
01:51:08,750 --> 01:51:06,360
surveillance of the of the training

3119
01:51:10,850 --> 01:51:08,760
exercises and the base itself and it was

3120
01:51:12,770 --> 01:51:10,860
disconcerting to the Navy that they were

3121
01:51:15,649 --> 01:51:12,780
sit there they could sit there for days

3122
01:51:18,050 --> 01:51:15,659
at a time at 30 000 feet and 120 knot

3123
01:51:19,310 --> 01:51:18,060
winds and not move that's something that

3124
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:19,320
Lieutenant Ryan Graves has brought up

3125
01:51:22,669 --> 01:51:20,400
and other people that actually have

3126
01:51:26,030 --> 01:51:22,679
dealt with this issue is the durational

3127
01:51:28,129 --> 01:51:26,040
capability is astonishing look this is

3128
01:51:30,530 --> 01:51:28,139
somebody's technology and we're I'm

3129
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:30,540
certainly not pretending to know I don't

3130
01:51:35,149 --> 01:51:33,119
know if these UFOs Are From Another

3131
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:35,159
World another planet extraterrestrial

3132
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:38,159
I've never said that I don't know I got

3133
01:51:42,830 --> 01:51:39,840
these images by the way

3134
01:51:44,570 --> 01:51:42,840
at a briefing two months later and I sat

3135
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:44,580
on because I didn't think I was

3136
01:51:48,649 --> 01:51:46,080
authorized to do it and people started

3137
01:51:50,689 --> 01:51:48,659
talking about it in public uh the Batman

3138
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:50,699
balloon and I figured well I went back

3139
01:51:55,070 --> 01:51:52,500
to the sources and see if I could make

3140
01:51:57,169 --> 01:51:55,080
it public and did and uh you know that

3141
01:51:58,910 --> 01:51:57,179
was sort of our first foray into what

3142
01:52:01,790 --> 01:51:58,920
became a heck of a year of reporting

3143
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:01,800
because that lead then to the West Coast

3144
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:04,320
uh videos and images that we got

3145
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:07,199
and at the same time East Coast West

3146
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:10,320
Coast far far away at the same general

3147
01:52:14,330 --> 01:52:11,940
time frame in that same year there was

3148
01:52:16,370 --> 01:52:14,340
another incident that you guys uh know

3149
01:52:18,290 --> 01:52:16,380
pretty well yeah let's let's talk about

3150
01:52:19,850 --> 01:52:18,300
that right before we hit that I just

3151
01:52:22,250 --> 01:52:19,860
want to say now so that people are aware

3152
01:52:26,590 --> 01:52:22,260
that this will be coming out with us um

3153
01:52:29,590 --> 01:52:26,600
that there were other swarm events of

3154
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:29,600
uaps whatever you want to call them UFOs

3155
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:33,480
that happen also on the east coast and

3156
01:52:37,490 --> 01:52:36,000
also also around the world other Seas

3157
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:37,500
this is something that I have direct

3158
01:52:40,669 --> 01:52:39,060
knowledge of and I'm we're going to

3159
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:40,679
break that story and we just want people

3160
01:52:45,649 --> 01:52:43,920
to grasp this 2019 hey don't just you

3161
01:52:46,970 --> 01:52:45,659
know believe these tablets stuff get get

3162
01:52:48,890 --> 01:52:46,980
in there a little bit here's more

3163
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,900
information there's a lot more to this

3164
01:52:52,370 --> 01:52:50,400
story and these this type of event

3165
01:52:53,810 --> 01:52:52,380
series but I like where you're going

3166
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:53,820
with this kind this is a really

3167
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:56,580
disturbing incident that we got a hold

3168
01:53:02,209 --> 01:53:00,480
before anybody knew about it and and it

3169
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:02,219
was reported and then just dropped and

3170
01:53:09,770 --> 01:53:06,239
ignored it's in Guam uh that is true and

3171
01:53:11,689 --> 01:53:09,780
I I found my buddy over here was there

3172
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,699
so I think that you're probably the best

3173
01:53:15,410 --> 01:53:13,679
person to speak about what what we're

3174
01:53:17,570 --> 01:53:15,420
talking about yeah so you you had you

3175
01:53:19,790 --> 01:53:17,580
had to reach out to me about uh an

3176
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:19,800
incident that you'd become aware of and

3177
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:23,760
uh and yeah so in um do you see how he's

3178
01:53:26,810 --> 01:53:25,080
already he doesn't he doesn't

3179
01:53:28,970 --> 01:53:26,820
proactively tell me hey man I heard

3180
01:53:31,010 --> 01:53:28,980
about UFOs it's like I have to find out

3181
01:53:32,810 --> 01:53:31,020
two stories and then I've been like say

3182
01:53:34,910 --> 01:53:32,820
hey man can you tell me did anything

3183
01:53:36,050 --> 01:53:34,920
like this happen so yeah so in terms of

3184
01:53:38,510 --> 01:53:36,060
stuff that you know I've seen people

3185
01:53:40,910 --> 01:53:38,520
like to ask me all the time you saw

3186
01:53:43,010 --> 01:53:40,920
anything yeah and you know let me let me

3187
01:53:44,510 --> 01:53:43,020
start by saying this you know um yeah

3188
01:53:46,910 --> 01:53:44,520
sure there have been things that I've

3189
01:53:49,850 --> 01:53:46,920
seen flying uh certainly at night you

3190
01:53:50,930 --> 01:53:49,860
know on nbds on night vision goggles

3191
01:53:52,729 --> 01:53:50,940
um that you know lights that you see

3192
01:53:55,010 --> 01:53:52,739
that you are you know kind of weird and

3193
01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:55,020
and unexplainable but nothing that I

3194
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:56,340
would consider the mothership you know

3195
01:53:59,330 --> 01:53:57,840
nothing nothing certainly nothing much

3196
01:54:00,169 --> 01:53:59,340
better you can't explain yeah just

3197
01:54:01,310 --> 01:54:00,179
things you can't explain they're

3198
01:54:02,689 --> 01:54:01,320
definitely make you scratch your head

3199
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:02,699
but then you've got a mission to do and

3200
01:54:05,390 --> 01:54:03,840
you go on and do the mission you kind of

3201
01:54:07,010 --> 01:54:05,400
to unfortunately you don't have a whole

3202
01:54:09,229 --> 01:54:07,020
lot of time to to invest again we're not

3203
01:54:12,290 --> 01:54:09,239
UFO Hunters you know yeah um as much as

3204
01:54:14,990 --> 01:54:12,300
yours yeah

3205
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:15,000
as much as we might want to be no um so

3206
01:54:21,590 --> 01:54:20,159
no in this uh in this particular uh case

3207
01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:21,600
so we're out there and I'm out there in

3208
01:54:24,830 --> 01:54:22,920
Guam

3209
01:54:28,609 --> 01:54:24,840
um there's a Navy Squadron station out

3210
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:28,619
there uh on an Air Force Base and

3211
01:54:33,890 --> 01:54:31,199
um we've become aware of an incident

3212
01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:33,900
that uh or incidents I should say that

3213
01:54:37,250 --> 01:54:35,940
it occurred um over a span of a few

3214
01:54:40,370 --> 01:54:37,260
nights

3215
01:54:42,350 --> 01:54:40,380
um over a particularly sensitive area on

3216
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:42,360
Guam why is it sensitive well so I don't

3217
01:54:45,169 --> 01:54:43,920
go on they've got a and this is you know

3218
01:54:46,910 --> 01:54:45,179
public knowledge I'm not disclosing

3219
01:54:48,649 --> 01:54:46,920
anything here um but there's a what's

3220
01:54:49,970 --> 01:54:48,659
called a thaad missile battery out there

3221
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:49,980
a Thad so I think it's terminal high

3222
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,360
altitude air defense system I think is

3223
01:54:55,370 --> 01:54:53,520
what it is I think the Air Force in the

3224
01:54:57,649 --> 01:54:55,380
Army it's an Army Air Force jointly run

3225
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,659
uh what is this anti-missile technology

3226
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:59,040
yeah exactly so it's you know defense

3227
01:55:03,950 --> 01:55:01,199
defense capabilities right

3228
01:55:05,629 --> 01:55:03,960
um and uh I think that's all I'm

3229
01:55:07,850 --> 01:55:05,639
comfortable to say beyond that but

3230
01:55:09,770 --> 01:55:07,860
nonetheless it's a it's a it's a a

3231
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:09,780
defense system that we have uh I don't

3232
01:55:13,970 --> 01:55:11,760
know in a Guam in and of itself has been

3233
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:13,980
a strategic military location going back

3234
01:55:20,570 --> 01:55:16,080
to World War II you know

3235
01:55:22,250 --> 01:55:20,580
um so there is a uh so there's a fad uh

3236
01:55:24,530 --> 01:55:22,260
missile battery out there and missile

3237
01:55:28,850 --> 01:55:24,540
defense site out there

3238
01:55:31,129 --> 01:55:28,860
um well in in early 2019 we our Squadron

3239
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:31,139
was approached uh

3240
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:34,080
by the Air Force because what had been

3241
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:36,840
told to us was that there had been these

3242
01:55:41,870 --> 01:55:38,159
uh I guess you call them incursions

3243
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:41,880
right of of lights over the Thad site

3244
01:55:45,169 --> 01:55:43,260
okay

3245
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:45,179
and what really kind of struck us all of

3246
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,320
us in the Squadron you know because we

3247
01:55:49,490 --> 01:55:48,239
you know we hear about this thing lights

3248
01:55:51,050 --> 01:55:49,500
and everybody's right away starts

3249
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:51,060
talking what the hell you know what do

3250
01:55:53,390 --> 01:55:52,080
they want us to do here what are they

3251
01:55:55,729 --> 01:55:53,400
talking about well what was interesting

3252
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:55,739
uh we would talk about in the wardrobe

3253
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:56,400
was

3254
01:56:00,410 --> 01:55:58,440
again the the witness descriptions of

3255
01:56:03,050 --> 01:56:00,420
these particular lights okay and what

3256
01:56:05,870 --> 01:56:03,060
they were seeing was the guys that are

3257
01:56:08,570 --> 01:56:05,880
standing guard Duty out there uh were

3258
01:56:11,169 --> 01:56:08,580
seeing uh first what started as a light

3259
01:56:13,129 --> 01:56:11,179
that Slauson appears on the horizon okay

3260
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:13,139
they described it as coming in at

3261
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:14,280
Treetop level

3262
01:56:17,330 --> 01:56:15,360
and all of a sudden it starts

3263
01:56:19,070 --> 01:56:17,340
approaching their position okay again

3264
01:56:21,050 --> 01:56:19,080
coming from over water because again on

3265
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:21,060
Guam is an island right surrounded by

3266
01:56:23,330 --> 01:56:22,080
water so really any Direction that's

3267
01:56:25,010 --> 01:56:23,340
coming from has come from from over

3268
01:56:25,970 --> 01:56:25,020
water but in the particular direction it

3269
01:56:27,290 --> 01:56:25,980
was coming from yeah it's coming from

3270
01:56:29,090 --> 01:56:27,300
over water

3271
01:56:31,550 --> 01:56:29,100
uh Treetop level

3272
01:56:33,590 --> 01:56:31,560
and it's approaching uh their position

3273
01:56:35,090 --> 01:56:33,600
and just as they're starting to get on

3274
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:35,100
the radio to kind of start communicating

3275
01:56:38,090 --> 01:56:36,719
with one another but hey do you see this

3276
01:56:40,729 --> 01:56:38,100
light and where is it going we need to

3277
01:56:42,770 --> 01:56:40,739
figure this out it blinks out

3278
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:42,780
well it blinks out and then about two

3279
01:56:46,129 --> 01:56:44,159
three seconds later it all of a sudden

3280
01:56:48,530 --> 01:56:46,139
pops up over here you know 90 degrees

3281
01:56:49,970 --> 01:56:48,540
offset from the original Direction so if

3282
01:56:52,430 --> 01:56:49,980
you can imagine a light seeing it at the

3283
01:56:53,810 --> 01:56:52,440
12 o'clock position it blinks out and

3284
01:56:55,370 --> 01:56:53,820
then a few seconds later it pops up at

3285
01:56:57,290 --> 01:56:55,380
your nine o'clock position

3286
01:56:59,330 --> 01:56:57,300
is it the same light is it a different

3287
01:57:00,890 --> 01:56:59,340
light how did it move from here to there

3288
01:57:02,570 --> 01:57:00,900
so quickly

3289
01:57:04,129 --> 01:57:02,580
um this is troubling because this is an

3290
01:57:05,649 --> 01:57:04,139
area well this is a very sensitive this

3291
01:57:08,689 --> 01:57:05,659
is a very sensitive

3292
01:57:10,189 --> 01:57:08,699
100 restricted airspace even even us as

3293
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:10,199
the helicopter Squadron stationed on

3294
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:12,000
Guam there's a there's what's known as a

3295
01:57:14,930 --> 01:57:13,679
TFR a temporary flight restriction well

3296
01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:14,940
it's not temporary it's always out there

3297
01:57:20,570 --> 01:57:18,840
it's a constantly active TFR where uh

3298
01:57:22,970 --> 01:57:20,580
you are not allowed to fly within a

3299
01:57:25,370 --> 01:57:22,980
certain radius of this area mainly for

3300
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:25,380
the uh you know the the emissions that

3301
01:57:28,850 --> 01:57:27,360
are getting radiated out of this site um

3302
01:57:30,530 --> 01:57:28,860
it can mess with your electronics it can

3303
01:57:32,570 --> 01:57:30,540
mess with the at least certainly our our

3304
01:57:34,430 --> 01:57:32,580
systems in the helicopter so like if

3305
01:57:36,649 --> 01:57:34,440
somebody had set up like a you know a

3306
01:57:39,169 --> 01:57:36,659
commercial drone to do service just the

3307
01:57:41,209 --> 01:57:39,179
energies output of this area would mess

3308
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:41,219
with those likely or presumably I mean

3309
01:57:44,030 --> 01:57:42,480
that was a that was the reason why we

3310
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:44,040
were never allowed to fly in and out of

3311
01:57:48,410 --> 01:57:45,840
there and also you know

3312
01:57:50,030 --> 01:57:48,420
um you can never determine when a

3313
01:57:51,470 --> 01:57:50,040
missile would be shot off and so God

3314
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:51,480
forbid you want to be in the fire zone

3315
01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:52,800
and this thing in case you're flying

3316
01:57:55,129 --> 01:57:53,760
through

3317
01:57:56,990 --> 01:57:55,139
um so we always had to skirt around this

3318
01:57:58,430 --> 01:57:57,000
thing and fly around it we always knew

3319
01:57:59,990 --> 01:57:58,440
where it was and you always made sure to

3320
01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:00,000
stay okay so this is outside of this

3321
01:58:04,189 --> 01:58:02,639
deal there's some yeah being flown in

3322
01:58:05,629 --> 01:58:04,199
this restricted area yeah it's a bit

3323
01:58:07,129 --> 01:58:05,639
it's a big deal and it's weird because

3324
01:58:09,709 --> 01:58:07,139
that you'll see a light and then

3325
01:58:11,390 --> 01:58:09,719
immediately at a 90 degree well so what

3326
01:58:14,330 --> 01:58:11,400
ended up happening over over a couple

3327
01:58:16,189 --> 01:58:14,340
nights in early 2019 was

3328
01:58:17,689 --> 01:58:16,199
these guys were essentially involved in

3329
01:58:20,570 --> 01:58:17,699
a cat and mouse Chase with these lights

3330
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:20,580
okay and the guys on the ground uh over

3331
01:58:24,350 --> 01:58:22,080
over the Thad site

3332
01:58:26,450 --> 01:58:24,360
well it got to and it's funny you know

3333
01:58:27,709 --> 01:58:26,460
similar to to 2019 they're getting

3334
01:58:28,850 --> 01:58:27,719
harassed by this thing they can't figure

3335
01:58:30,410 --> 01:58:28,860
out where it's coming from they can't

3336
01:58:33,470 --> 01:58:30,420
figure out where it's going

3337
01:58:34,250 --> 01:58:33,480
so they enlisted our help in trying to

3338
01:58:35,870 --> 01:58:34,260
um

3339
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:35,880
and trying to figure out what these what

3340
01:58:39,950 --> 01:58:37,619
these things were

3341
01:58:41,570 --> 01:58:39,960
um the Air Force didn't have any rotary

3342
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:41,580
Wing assets out there to be able to they

3343
01:58:43,729 --> 01:58:42,719
didn't have any helicopters out there to

3344
01:58:45,470 --> 01:58:43,739
be able to chase these things but they

3345
01:58:47,629 --> 01:58:45,480
knew we were out there and so they said

3346
01:58:50,089 --> 01:58:47,639
hey maybe you know can you guys help us

3347
01:58:52,490 --> 01:58:50,099
out here we want you guys to what we

3348
01:58:54,229 --> 01:58:52,500
ended up doing was after three four

3349
01:58:55,729 --> 01:58:54,239
nights of harassment

3350
01:58:57,350 --> 01:58:55,739
they finally got fed up and said you

3351
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:57,360
know we need you guys we need you guys

3352
01:59:01,550 --> 01:58:58,560
to help us out

3353
01:59:03,709 --> 01:59:01,560
what they asked to do was stand up uh

3354
01:59:05,870 --> 01:59:03,719
what's called an alert right so we're

3355
01:59:08,089 --> 01:59:05,880
we're at the end of our flight day

3356
01:59:10,669 --> 01:59:08,099
whatever it happens to be we had a crew

3357
01:59:15,649 --> 01:59:10,679
specifically designated every night to

3358
01:59:19,430 --> 01:59:15,659
stand this alert where if we got a call

3359
01:59:21,229 --> 01:59:19,440
um they would want us to launch and try

3360
01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:21,239
and find these things right and just

3361
01:59:24,649 --> 01:59:23,460
essentially Observe and Report really

3362
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:24,659
their desire would be to eventually

3363
01:59:27,109 --> 01:59:25,920
knock it down if we could but we didn't

3364
01:59:28,970 --> 01:59:27,119
we didn't have any sort of that that

3365
01:59:30,410 --> 01:59:28,980
sort of Technology on on the helicopter

3366
01:59:32,030 --> 01:59:30,420
at the time

3367
01:59:33,830 --> 01:59:32,040
and so

3368
01:59:35,209 --> 01:59:33,840
that's really what it was it was stand

3369
01:59:37,850 --> 01:59:35,219
up and alert

3370
01:59:38,870 --> 01:59:37,860
if we get the call go see what you can

3371
01:59:41,149 --> 01:59:38,880
find out

3372
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:41,159
and sure enough uh there were a couple

3373
01:59:46,550 --> 01:59:43,199
times that we were given the call and in

3374
01:59:47,810 --> 01:59:46,560
fact uh there was one night where uh me

3375
01:59:49,669 --> 01:59:47,820
and my crew and the and the other

3376
01:59:50,750 --> 01:59:49,679
helicopter that we were flying with we

3377
01:59:52,250 --> 01:59:50,760
were doing training out in the southern

3378
01:59:54,350 --> 01:59:52,260
end of the island

3379
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:54,360
and it's the end of a long night you

3380
01:59:57,770 --> 01:59:56,159
know it's about 22 2300 about 10 11

3381
01:59:58,910 --> 01:59:57,780
o'clock at night we're heading back to

3382
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:58,920
the base on the North End of the island

3383
02:00:03,350 --> 02:00:01,920
which is next to the the uh the Thad

3384
02:00:04,450 --> 02:00:03,360
site where these incursions had been

3385
02:00:07,250 --> 02:00:04,460
happening

3386
02:00:10,430 --> 02:00:07,260
and it just so happened that we were out

3387
02:00:12,109 --> 02:00:10,440
there at the same time that uh they got

3388
02:00:14,750 --> 02:00:12,119
one of these calls they go hey they're

3389
02:00:16,490 --> 02:00:14,760
back and the lights are back okay what

3390
02:00:18,350 --> 02:00:16,500
do you want us to do well just you know

3391
02:00:19,729 --> 02:00:18,360
they're they're kind of with they're

3392
02:00:21,649 --> 02:00:19,739
over here we want you to go check it out

3393
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:21,659
but again all the while maintaining

3394
02:00:25,850 --> 02:00:23,760
outside you know we're we're staying

3395
02:00:27,649 --> 02:00:25,860
clear of that of that radius of that TFR

3396
02:00:29,689 --> 02:00:27,659
that's always out there

3397
02:00:31,729 --> 02:00:29,699
um and I wish I had you know more of a

3398
02:00:33,649 --> 02:00:31,739
of a dramatic account to talk about but

3399
02:00:35,209 --> 02:00:33,659
long story short we we go up there to

3400
02:00:36,290 --> 02:00:35,219
try and find these things and we

3401
02:00:38,330 --> 02:00:36,300
couldn't see them

3402
02:00:39,589 --> 02:00:38,340
the guys on the ground insisted that hey

3403
02:00:40,970 --> 02:00:39,599
they're right over here okay now they're

3404
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:40,980
over here and again this cat and mouse

3405
02:00:44,570 --> 02:00:42,719
game going back and forth well we never

3406
02:00:46,490 --> 02:00:44,580
saw anything we never saw anything with

3407
02:00:48,169 --> 02:00:46,500
our eyeballs we never saw anything on

3408
02:00:49,609 --> 02:00:48,179
our night vision goggles we never saw

3409
02:00:53,030 --> 02:00:49,619
anything on our Fleer that we have on

3410
02:00:54,950 --> 02:00:53,040
the helicopter uh Ford looking infrared

3411
02:00:56,750 --> 02:00:54,960
um we never saw anything so you put

3412
02:00:59,689 --> 02:00:56,760
around you should have been able to see

3413
02:01:02,870 --> 02:00:59,699
these objects on some sensors on some on

3414
02:01:04,669 --> 02:01:02,880
some thing you [\h__\h] if you were to again

3415
02:01:06,310 --> 02:01:04,679
the guys on the ground were so emphatic

3416
02:01:08,810 --> 02:01:06,320
that they were seeing these these things

3417
02:01:10,490 --> 02:01:08,820
you would think that you we should have

3418
02:01:12,350 --> 02:01:10,500
been able to see something but we never

3419
02:01:13,609 --> 02:01:12,360
could that flight was not the only

3420
02:01:15,169 --> 02:01:13,619
flight where we launched on these things

3421
02:01:16,609 --> 02:01:15,179
there were other Crews other nights that

3422
02:01:19,070 --> 02:01:16,619
got launched and again it was always in

3423
02:01:21,050 --> 02:01:19,080
the middle of the night you know uh the

3424
02:01:22,970 --> 02:01:21,060
earliest it ever happened was maybe 11

3425
02:01:25,370 --> 02:01:22,980
10 11 o'clock at night but typically it

3426
02:01:26,030 --> 02:01:25,380
was around you know one two three in the

3427
02:01:29,390 --> 02:01:26,040
morning

3428
02:01:30,830 --> 02:01:29,400
so uh yeah no we had other Crews get

3429
02:01:33,350 --> 02:01:30,840
called up and get the call to launch

3430
02:01:35,450 --> 02:01:33,360
they would fly out there chase this

3431
02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:35,460
thing around or try to anyway but we

3432
02:01:39,410 --> 02:01:36,960
never saw anything you know around the

3433
02:01:41,510 --> 02:01:39,420
world as I've reported uh there have

3434
02:01:43,910 --> 02:01:41,520
been instances of UFOs that have been

3435
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:43,920
over missile sites including nuclear

3436
02:01:47,990 --> 02:01:46,560
missile sites American Russian and

3437
02:01:49,550 --> 02:01:48,000
they've interfered with the launch

3438
02:01:52,430 --> 02:01:49,560
control systems they're they're been

3439
02:01:54,109 --> 02:01:52,440
dramatic incidents whereas direct

3440
02:01:56,209 --> 02:01:54,119
interference is there anything like that

3441
02:01:58,910 --> 02:01:56,219
that happened with this Thad system or

3442
02:02:00,950 --> 02:01:58,920
can you could you even say uh

3443
02:02:02,149 --> 02:02:00,960
not that I'm aware but even if I was

3444
02:02:04,370 --> 02:02:02,159
aware I don't think I would be

3445
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:04,380
comfortable uh talking about that

3446
02:02:07,510 --> 02:02:06,000
um but not that I'm aware no but but the

3447
02:02:09,470 --> 02:02:07,520
fact that whatever this unknown

3448
02:02:11,570 --> 02:02:09,480
surveillance system if that's what it

3449
02:02:14,750 --> 02:02:11,580
was was taking such an interest in that

3450
02:02:15,950 --> 02:02:14,760
facility yeah yeah because there's you

3451
02:02:17,089 --> 02:02:15,960
know if you look at Guam there's there's

3452
02:02:19,310 --> 02:02:17,099
multiple bases throughout the island

3453
02:02:20,810 --> 02:02:19,320
right there's got a Air Force Base to

3454
02:02:22,250 --> 02:02:20,820
the to the North End where we flew out

3455
02:02:25,370 --> 02:02:22,260
of there's a navy base to the south in

3456
02:02:26,990 --> 02:02:25,380
fact there's even a submarine uh based

3457
02:02:28,850 --> 02:02:27,000
on the southern end Island that Subs go

3458
02:02:31,189 --> 02:02:28,860
in and out of so there's multiple I mean

3459
02:02:32,930 --> 02:02:31,199
there's other high sensitive uh units

3460
02:02:34,729 --> 02:02:32,940
and platforms but it was all there but

3461
02:02:37,129 --> 02:02:34,739
it was always all there you know again

3462
02:02:39,229 --> 02:02:37,139
just to characterize it Guam is such a

3463
02:02:41,149 --> 02:02:39,239
critical uh National Security facility

3464
02:02:42,950 --> 02:02:41,159
it's like the frontier it's like Fort

3465
02:02:45,109 --> 02:02:42,960
Apache you're the first line of defense

3466
02:02:47,330 --> 02:02:45,119
if Bad actors from that region of the

3467
02:02:49,070 --> 02:02:47,340
world fire something ABS this way yeah

3468
02:02:52,010 --> 02:02:49,080
absolutely you know I think we're

3469
02:02:55,010 --> 02:02:52,020
dealing with a lot of different truths

3470
02:02:57,649 --> 02:02:55,020
right we there are incursions of even

3471
02:02:59,330 --> 02:02:57,659
just you know drones with tape on you

3472
02:03:00,649 --> 02:02:59,340
put on some weaponry and you find it

3473
02:03:03,589 --> 02:03:00,659
into a base that happens all the time

3474
02:03:05,810 --> 02:03:03,599
you know I have individuals I know their

3475
02:03:08,089 --> 02:03:05,820
job is to defend certain bases from that

3476
02:03:10,850 --> 02:03:08,099
when they're overseas you know a buddy

3477
02:03:13,250 --> 02:03:10,860
of mine at 23 miles away was able to

3478
02:03:15,649 --> 02:03:13,260
Target in using an error stat with a

3479
02:03:18,050 --> 02:03:15,659
thermal camera it's like basically a

3480
02:03:20,330 --> 02:03:18,060
floating platform weapons platform and

3481
02:03:22,910 --> 02:03:20,340
at 23 miles away was able to disable a

3482
02:03:25,189 --> 02:03:22,920
drone instantaneously there's apparently

3483
02:03:27,169 --> 02:03:25,199
no issue that we have there's Return to

3484
02:03:28,729 --> 02:03:27,179
Sender which sends the bomb back you

3485
02:03:30,649 --> 02:03:28,739
know so we are dealing with that that is

3486
02:03:32,350 --> 02:03:30,659
something we will increasingly deal with

3487
02:03:36,410 --> 02:03:32,360
when it comes to our Technologies

3488
02:03:38,570 --> 02:03:36,420
however I I we have to really say that

3489
02:03:41,689 --> 02:03:38,580
the things we've been talking about they

3490
02:03:43,669 --> 02:03:41,699
don't fall within those explanations in

3491
02:03:46,010 --> 02:03:43,679
fact they kind of mimic what has been

3492
02:03:48,229 --> 02:03:46,020
going on with the UFO phenomenon you

3493
02:03:52,870 --> 02:03:48,239
know since the beginning of our military

3494
02:03:55,910 --> 02:03:52,880
this is not a new thing pyramids Spears

3495
02:03:58,370 --> 02:03:55,920
cubes and cigars are the common shapes

3496
02:04:01,250 --> 02:03:58,380
of UFOs and these have been seen by our

3497
02:04:02,270 --> 02:04:01,260
military throughout the entire time and

3498
02:04:03,709 --> 02:04:02,280
that's just something you and I know

3499
02:04:05,930 --> 02:04:03,719
through all the information that we've

3500
02:04:08,390 --> 02:04:05,940
had so I just I think that we have to be

3501
02:04:10,310 --> 02:04:08,400
very careful to dismiss things because

3502
02:04:11,810 --> 02:04:10,320
these new texts are coming up and it's

3503
02:04:12,950 --> 02:04:11,820
so easy to call something that's you

3504
02:04:14,930 --> 02:04:12,960
know it has a certain type of

3505
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:14,940
maneuverability as a commonplace thing

3506
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:17,280
so I'm really grateful that we were able

3507
02:04:22,070 --> 02:04:19,679
to kind of in my eyes unsolve the case

3508
02:04:25,010 --> 02:04:22,080
it was bothering me that everybody yeah

3509
02:04:27,709 --> 02:04:25,020
let me ask one this is like call this uh

3510
02:04:29,810 --> 02:04:27,719
weapons porn but I had a question about

3511
02:04:31,430 --> 02:04:29,820
you know me as a civilian I'm thinking

3512
02:04:33,290 --> 02:04:31,440
they're flying over our ships over our

3513
02:04:35,209 --> 02:04:33,300
bases shoot those damn things down and I

3514
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:35,219
was thinking about this Navy weapon

3515
02:04:39,709 --> 02:04:37,679
system I've seen video on YouTube oh

3516
02:04:42,070 --> 02:04:39,719
yeah it's like a almost like a super

3517
02:04:43,850 --> 02:04:42,080
Gatling gun that is an

3518
02:04:46,609 --> 02:04:43,860
anti-anti-aircraft system I don't know

3519
02:04:48,350 --> 02:04:46,619
what it's called but it's just well I

3520
02:04:49,790 --> 02:04:48,360
was thinking of the guns that shoot like

3521
02:04:51,290 --> 02:04:49,800
a thousand bullets in a minute that

3522
02:04:53,470 --> 02:04:51,300
would just basically knock down a

3523
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:53,480
missile okay it could certainly

3524
02:04:58,189 --> 02:04:55,679
yeah close and weapon system so

3525
02:05:00,830 --> 02:04:58,199
essentially it looks like a R2D2 type uh

3526
02:05:02,689 --> 02:05:00,840
thing on that yeah so that could clearly

3527
02:05:06,050 --> 02:05:02,699
take one of these things down shouldn't

3528
02:05:08,149 --> 02:05:06,060
it yeah again look I'm not a I'm not a

3529
02:05:10,729 --> 02:05:08,159
uh I'm not a seawas expert uh you know

3530
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:10,739
not a service Warfare officer I'm sure

3531
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:12,480
we could easily find someone to talk on

3532
02:05:17,870 --> 02:05:16,320
that but but presumably yeah I mean in

3533
02:05:19,189 --> 02:05:17,880
theory yeah you got something that's

3534
02:05:21,169 --> 02:05:19,199
flying around your airspace that you

3535
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:21,179
don't want it to we there's there are

3536
02:05:25,129 --> 02:05:23,280
ways to to to take those things down I'm

3537
02:05:27,470 --> 02:05:25,139
just thinking at at some level there are

3538
02:05:29,930 --> 02:05:27,480
investigations in this UAP mystery we

3539
02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:29,940
know and some of them are sincere and

3540
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:31,320
people there who want to get to the

3541
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,119
bottom of it and some that just sort of

3542
02:05:37,310 --> 02:05:35,280
want to cover it over and wallpaper it

3543
02:05:38,689 --> 02:05:37,320
and make it go away I think but you'd

3544
02:05:40,609 --> 02:05:38,699
have got to think that there's people at

3545
02:05:41,810 --> 02:05:40,619
the Navy and maybe the air force that

3546
02:05:44,030 --> 02:05:41,820
are sitting around thinking these damn

3547
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:44,040
things keep flying over our bases

3548
02:05:46,669 --> 02:05:45,360
we sure would like to shoot one of those

3549
02:05:48,649 --> 02:05:46,679
down and see what the hell it is yeah

3550
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:48,659
don't you think my opinion yeah it's

3551
02:05:52,189 --> 02:05:49,920
it's frustrating you know it's

3552
02:05:54,649 --> 02:05:52,199
frustrating again with that Warfighter

3553
02:05:56,330 --> 02:05:54,659
mentality you know when you want to be

3554
02:05:57,770 --> 02:05:56,340
able to punch back you know if you're

3555
02:05:59,089 --> 02:05:57,780
getting just peppered in the ring and

3556
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:59,099
not you know not able to throw a counter

3557
02:06:03,290 --> 02:06:00,719
punch you know it's frustrating and then

3558
02:06:04,669 --> 02:06:03,300
you got to worry well do we set up an

3559
02:06:06,470 --> 02:06:04,679
international incident or more

3560
02:06:08,689 --> 02:06:06,480
importantly an interplanetary incident

3561
02:06:12,109 --> 02:06:08,699
we shut down meats or from Krypton or

3562
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:12,119
something like that I wanted just to to

3563
02:06:15,530 --> 02:06:14,159
also you know I thank you for talking

3564
02:06:17,149 --> 02:06:15,540
with us and I just want to kind of hit

3565
02:06:19,310 --> 02:06:17,159
the nail on the head here which is that

3566
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:19,320
I mean look you're my friend and I like

3567
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:20,639
calling you and telling you some of the

3568
02:06:24,169 --> 02:06:22,560
stuff that I'm learning and passing it

3569
02:06:27,229 --> 02:06:24,179
by you and it's exciting I appreciate

3570
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:27,239
that part of our friendship uh I I do

3571
02:06:31,430 --> 02:06:29,280
you know have concern though I mean you

3572
02:06:33,530 --> 02:06:31,440
you know I did for you like you're

3573
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:33,540
you're an active

3574
02:06:38,330 --> 02:06:36,719
commander in the Navy and their stigma

3575
02:06:39,950 --> 02:06:38,340
associated with talking about this and I

3576
02:06:41,209 --> 02:06:39,960
know we're just talking right now not

3577
02:06:43,550 --> 02:06:41,219
you know everything we're saying is

3578
02:06:47,810 --> 02:06:43,560
personal opinion right between us but do

3579
02:06:50,030 --> 02:06:47,820
you have any uh kind of concern that

3580
02:06:52,070 --> 02:06:50,040
that stigma would affect you or that

3581
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:52,080
there'd be any reprisals because you're

3582
02:06:55,850 --> 02:06:54,000
talking about this with us I mean it's a

3583
02:06:58,070 --> 02:06:55,860
Hot Topic right now within our

3584
02:06:59,689 --> 02:06:58,080
Department of Defense it's UFOs uaps

3585
02:07:01,550 --> 02:06:59,699
just as an individual you're talking

3586
02:07:03,229 --> 02:07:01,560
with us but do you have any concern or

3587
02:07:04,910 --> 02:07:03,239
no no you're talking about blowback or

3588
02:07:07,850 --> 02:07:04,920
something like that no no no no no look

3589
02:07:10,129 --> 02:07:07,860
not at all into the uh yeah no look it's

3590
02:07:12,470 --> 02:07:10,139
not that look it it's like this the

3591
02:07:13,609 --> 02:07:12,480
stigma is real I think conversations

3592
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:13,619
like this

3593
02:07:17,570 --> 02:07:15,119
um help to to fight and reduce that

3594
02:07:19,609 --> 02:07:17,580
stigma which hopefully would encourage

3595
02:07:21,470 --> 02:07:19,619
folks if they do have some sort of you

3596
02:07:23,629 --> 02:07:21,480
know uh weird encounter would report it

3597
02:07:25,729 --> 02:07:23,639
right and and bring it up

3598
02:07:28,729 --> 02:07:25,739
um to to somebody who can try the

3599
02:07:31,790 --> 02:07:28,739
opportunity yeah right right no no I

3600
02:07:32,990 --> 02:07:31,800
want people to no but but uh but no look

3601
02:07:35,390 --> 02:07:33,000
I'm not afraid of that look I was trying

3602
02:07:37,850 --> 02:07:35,400
look at part of my part of my training

3603
02:07:41,089 --> 02:07:37,860
as a as a helicopter pilot was also that

3604
02:07:42,589 --> 02:07:41,099
as a Aviation safety officer okay so um

3605
02:07:44,030 --> 02:07:42,599
and that's a that's a very you know for

3606
02:07:45,410 --> 02:07:44,040
those that um

3607
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:45,420
for those of us that have been through

3608
02:07:47,990 --> 02:07:47,040
that course there's a lot of courses in

3609
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:48,000
the military that they send you through

3610
02:07:51,649 --> 02:07:49,920
you know some more robust than others

3611
02:07:52,910 --> 02:07:51,659
some more menial than others and and

3612
02:07:55,250 --> 02:07:52,920
there's a lot of there's a lot of real

3613
02:07:56,930 --> 02:07:55,260
dry topics out there but this one in

3614
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:56,940
particular the aviation safety officer

3615
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:58,800
course it for me anyway it really

3616
02:08:02,930 --> 02:08:01,199
changed um we're always safety conscious

3617
02:08:05,450 --> 02:08:02,940
you know we always try and do things uh

3618
02:08:07,010 --> 02:08:05,460
as safe as possible but man going to

3619
02:08:09,530 --> 02:08:07,020
that course really kind of drives home

3620
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:09,540
the point of Aviation safety looking out

3621
02:08:14,510 --> 02:08:11,119
for your brothers and sisters in the air

3622
02:08:16,430 --> 02:08:14,520
mitigating risks as much as you can

3623
02:08:19,250 --> 02:08:16,440
um and making sure that at the end of

3624
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:19,260
the day you know you go out uh Over the

3625
02:08:23,209 --> 02:08:20,639
Horizon you come back with everyone that

3626
02:08:24,890 --> 02:08:23,219
you left with you know and um and so

3627
02:08:27,790 --> 02:08:24,900
that course in particular really really

3628
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:27,800
uh drove home

3629
02:08:32,930 --> 02:08:30,719
the point of hey when there's an issue

3630
02:08:34,729 --> 02:08:32,940
when there's an aviation safety concern

3631
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:34,739
that puts your fellow brothers and

3632
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:36,480
sisters In Harm's Way you got to deal

3633
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:38,880
with it and to me that's that's I see

3634
02:08:45,290 --> 02:08:41,520
this UAP issue in general in the same

3635
02:08:48,050 --> 02:08:45,300
light uh there is a a Aviation safety

3636
02:08:49,790 --> 02:08:48,060
flight concern it should be addressed we

3637
02:08:51,410 --> 02:08:49,800
shouldn't be afraid to talk about it

3638
02:08:52,790 --> 02:08:51,420
just because it's a little weird or it's

3639
02:08:54,350 --> 02:08:52,800
unknown or we don't know what the hell

3640
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:54,360
it is or

3641
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:55,679
um it's a national security it's a

3642
02:08:59,870 --> 02:08:57,360
national security issue we shouldn't uh

3643
02:09:02,750 --> 02:08:59,880
we shouldn't let that because of because

3644
02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:02,760
of its inherent weird nature we

3645
02:09:06,589 --> 02:09:04,800
shouldn't bar that from from trying to

3646
02:09:09,770 --> 02:09:06,599
figure out what this is again if for

3647
02:09:12,290 --> 02:09:09,780
nothing else for the safety of of those

3648
02:09:13,850 --> 02:09:12,300
that that we send up uh you know people

3649
02:09:16,910 --> 02:09:13,860
who put their lives in line every day to

3650
02:09:18,830 --> 02:09:16,920
go up and and and defend the country so

3651
02:09:22,129 --> 02:09:18,840
no in terms of blowback no I look at I'm

3652
02:09:24,530 --> 02:09:22,139
doing you know uh I'm not doing on this

3653
02:09:27,290 --> 02:09:24,540
on behalf of the Navy by any means but

3654
02:09:29,450 --> 02:09:27,300
um in general uh

3655
02:09:31,250 --> 02:09:29,460
this is it's what they trained me to do

3656
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:31,260
we're getting close to the end here I

3657
02:09:36,050 --> 02:09:33,599
just give props to the U.S Navy for

3658
02:09:38,510 --> 02:09:36,060
being so forthright on this for leading

3659
02:09:39,950 --> 02:09:38,520
the charge I mean you know uh you and

3660
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:39,960
your colleagues talking about it I know

3661
02:09:46,010 --> 02:09:42,719
a career Navy guy who was part of OSAP

3662
02:09:48,050 --> 02:09:46,020
and atip and the UAP task force he's led

3663
02:09:50,330 --> 02:09:48,060
the charge toward changing Navy policy

3664
02:09:52,669 --> 02:09:50,340
to encourage aviators to come forward so

3665
02:09:54,589 --> 02:09:52,679
glad uh that somebody's doing it because

3666
02:09:56,930 --> 02:09:54,599
you know as we've remarked some of the

3667
02:09:58,729 --> 02:09:56,940
other services are not so are a little

3668
02:10:00,890 --> 02:09:58,739
more reluctant to get involved I'm proud

3669
02:10:02,810 --> 02:10:00,900
you know I'm proud of the the service

3670
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:02,820
I'm in I'm proud of the career I've had

3671
02:10:06,709 --> 02:10:05,040
I mean I'm not done I'm proud I get to

3672
02:10:10,129 --> 02:10:06,719
do the work I get to do yeah and I'm

3673
02:10:11,450 --> 02:10:10,139
glad that the Navy is you know uh uh you

3674
02:10:13,370 --> 02:10:11,460
know it seems like they're taking steps

3675
02:10:15,050 --> 02:10:13,380
to address these issues well I'm glad

3676
02:10:16,729 --> 02:10:15,060
that you're you know willing to have the

3677
02:10:18,109 --> 02:10:16,739
conversation we made the joke back and

3678
02:10:19,609 --> 02:10:18,119
forth It's like if we were both into

3679
02:10:21,470 --> 02:10:19,619
chess and we just wanted to talk about

3680
02:10:24,770 --> 02:10:21,480
that that's no problem but for some

3681
02:10:26,209 --> 02:10:24,780
reason this this idea of like UFOs have

3682
02:10:28,189 --> 02:10:26,219
been with us forever this idea the

3683
02:10:30,109 --> 02:10:28,199
unknowns why why can't we just talk

3684
02:10:31,609 --> 02:10:30,119
about it like we would any other subject

3685
02:10:33,709 --> 02:10:31,619
so that's what we're doing we're doing

3686
02:10:36,589 --> 02:10:33,719
what we you know what we're hoping other

3687
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:36,599
people will do you know I I do got to

3688
02:10:39,890 --> 02:10:38,159
say though that you know it's great so

3689
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:39,900
the Navy has really spearheaded coming

3690
02:10:44,810 --> 02:10:42,480
forward and we see so much progress we

3691
02:10:46,669 --> 02:10:44,820
see this whistleblower legislation that

3692
02:10:48,649 --> 02:10:46,679
has just you know created this

3693
02:10:51,229 --> 02:10:48,659
opportunity for people to come forward

3694
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:51,239
about the UFO topic who work inside and

3695
02:10:55,129 --> 02:10:52,800
that kind of thing so you see all this

3696
02:10:58,070 --> 02:10:55,139
progress being made but I was so

3697
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:58,080
disappointed with when they did the the

3698
02:11:03,050 --> 02:11:00,960
hearings just to be clear we we

3699
02:11:05,149 --> 02:11:03,060
presented you know nine pieces of

3700
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:05,159
corroborative evidence they took that

3701
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:07,199
hearing and they just showed one piece

3702
02:11:12,530 --> 02:11:09,360
and tried to pretend that that was the

3703
02:11:15,530 --> 02:11:12,540
the totality of the 2019 events that was

3704
02:11:17,390 --> 02:11:15,540
so disingenuous to to Congress those

3705
02:11:19,070 --> 02:11:17,400
who'd like it to go away yeah like

3706
02:11:20,810 --> 02:11:19,080
they'd like the media attention to stop

3707
02:11:23,209 --> 02:11:20,820
they'd like conversations like this to

3708
02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:23,219
end the closer we get to the goodies

3709
02:11:28,729 --> 02:11:24,960
the more pushback there's going to be

3710
02:11:30,350 --> 02:11:28,739
yeah media and other places yeah well

3711
02:11:31,970 --> 02:11:30,360
thanks so much man it was good to hang

3712
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:31,980
out and good I'm glad we finally got to

3713
02:11:35,089 --> 02:11:32,880
have this conversation all together

3714
02:11:37,070 --> 02:11:35,099
appreciate a little bit of light on all

3715
02:11:39,890 --> 02:11:37,080
this information that we uh we're able

3716
02:11:41,930 --> 02:11:39,900
to do and I I suspect there's gonna be

3717
02:11:43,550 --> 02:11:41,940
more coming from us I think so too oh

3718
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:43,560
yeah all right thanks guys appreciate it

3719
02:11:49,370 --> 02:11:56,930
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